[Advaita-l] DSV /SDV in Shri Dakshinamurthy Stotram

[Sudhanshu Shekhar]

Namaste Michael ji.

//DSV depends upon mind, mind is a product of avidya;//

DSV says that drishTi itself is srishTi. DrishTi is defined as
vritti-upahita-chaitanya. That is all. There is no requirement that vritti
has to be of some mind which is a product of avidyA.

The vritii is of avidyA itself. There is no requirement of a mind, which is
a product of avidyA.

In simple words, in DSV, the apparent creation of world is nothing but a
fluctuation of avidyA. Mind also is included in that. Just as the mind of
dream-I is also a fluctuation.

//so if mind is negated avidya will remain. Is that correct/ If mind is
gone, how to jump from avidya without mind to ajati vad?//

avidyA itself is negated being illusory. And thus only its substratum
remains.

>From the frame of reference or avidyA, the locus is seer/sAkshI, and the
framework is DSV.

>From the frame of reference of locus, the locus is shuddha chaitanya, and
that is ajAti. There is no perception of seen from the frame of reference
of locus, and hence it is ajAti.

So, the jump from DSV to ajAti does not require mind. Change of frame of
reference is all it takes to jump from DSV to ajAti. The former is
adhyAropa while the latter is apavAda.

Regards.


On Mon, 8 Apr 2024, 18:42 Michael Chandra Cohen, <
michaelchandra108 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namaste Sudhanshuji, Nice succinct explanation of SDV and DSV.  I have a
> lingering question from previous discussions. DSV depends upon mind, mind
> is a product of avidya; so if mind is negated avidya will remain. Is that
> correct/ If mind is gone, how to jump from avidya without mind to ajati
> vad? Hope I'm clear 🙏🙏🙏
>
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 8:44 AM Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Namaste.
>>
>> In simple words, that framework of Advaita VedAnta wherein waking is held
>> to be identical to dream, without any if and but, is called DSV.
>>
>> And where waking is differentiated from dream, is called SDV.
>>
>> Both DSV and SDV fall within the purview of vivartavAda. However, DSV
>> denies fundamental assumptions of SDV.
>>
>> For e.g., pratikarma-vyavasthA, a pivotal concept of SDV, is not accepted
>> in DSV. Similarly, jIvanmukti is considered as merely arthavAda in DSV and
>> prArabdha is not admitted. Likewise, sequential creation through
>> panchIkaraNa and trivritkaraNa is unacceptable in DSV.
>>
>> And these are obvious also once we accept that dream is identical to
>> waking.
>>
>>
>> Regards.
>> Sudhanshu Shekhar.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 8 Apr, 2024, 5:56 pm smallpress via Advaita-l, <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>> >  Thank you for your response. The discussion was above my grade :-),
>> > sorry. It seems to me then that what the Ashtakam is saying is Drishti
>> is
>> > Srushti, DSV, that we/jiva/atma which is sat and sphurana "lend"
>> existence
>> > to the objects in the waking state. BUT immediately this is denied
>> > (according to swami Chinmayananda's commentary) that because existence
>> > pervades, objects always had Sat, however because of adhyasa, it is is
>> > veiled by avidya.
>> > I am only a seeker and seeking clarification.
>> > PranamSomaya
>> >     On Monday, April 8, 2024 at 01:26:56 AM EDT, Bhaskar YR <
>> > bhaskar.yr at hitachienergy.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >  praNAms
>> > Hare Krishna
>> >
>> > I saw an archived discussion on the DSV and SDV in this work.
>> > Can someone please explain what these two vadas are and and how do these
>> > vadas appear in the work?
>> >
>> > >  If you have seen and already read the discussion about
>> drushti-srushti
>> > vAda and srushti-drushti vAda you might have come to know what these
>> > schools are basically talking about.  In short, there is srushti hence
>> you
>> > are seeing says SDV and DS vAdins say you are seeing hence there is
>> > srushti!! 😊
>> >
>> > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>> > bhaskar
>> >
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