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[Raghav Kumar Dwivedula]

Yes ji
The genuine case of upAsya devatA pratyaxa could possibly be classified as
jnAnAdhyAsa without arthAdhyAsa. And we could argue that such experiences
are not categorizable as purely sAxI pratyaxa like icchA, dveSha etc
because their (ie upAsya devatA's)  locus is perceived as being outside
oneself.

Again these experiences of genuine devatA pratyaxa do not suffer bAdha
unlike schizophrenia etc which might produce similar experiences which are
recognised as delusional, upon taking appropriate medicines.

Regarding the sopAdhika bhrama (like a crystal appearing yellow due to the
flower kept next to it), it was pointed out by Venkataraghavan ji (in
agreement with Chandramouliji as per older discussion ) that it's an
example of jnAnAdhyAsa without arthAdhyAsa.


Om

On Thu, 28 Dec, 2023, 10:54 pm V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 7:42 PM Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Namaste Raghav ji,
> >
> > On Thu, 28 Dec 2023, 05:13 Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l, <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > visual or auditory hallucination (of the type that's unconstitutional
> as
> > in
> > > schizophrenia a la "The Beautiful Mind" for example)?
> > >
> > I can't say for sure because I don't know how auditory hallucination or
> > schizophrenia manifest, but to the extent that there is perception
> involved
> > (even illusory) and the object of perception is not present, one can
> assume
> > the creation of an illusory object.
> >
>
> Venkat ji,
>
> This prompts me to say that the situation where  a sagunopasaka getting the
> upasya devata sakshatkara to be of this nature.  This is private to him and
> also it disappears in time.  Of course there is no bAdhaka jnanam here as
> this is not a case of atasmin tad buddhih. Yet the darshanam/perception is
> had by him for a brief period. It is a result of his long practice of the
> upasana where the samskaras generated by the upasana solidify and the
> devata appears before him.
>
> regards
> subbu
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Venkatraghavan
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