[Advaita-l] shankara speaking on behalf of or speaking to ??

H S Chandramouli hschandramouli at gmail.com
Fri Nov 10 02:34:44 EST 2017

Reg  << karma phala (prArabdha) and more importantly that karma has the
capacity to even negate the jnana phala even in samyak jnAni-s, >>,

Not exactly. Jnana phala includes  nonaccrual of any phalas for subsequent
karmas performed by the Jnani. Jnanaphala also  includes nonaccrual of any
fresh bodies, after the fall of the current body, irrespective of any
karmas performed by the jnani subsequent to attainment of Jnana.



On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> praNAms
> Hare Krishna
> As I mentioned in my earlier mail, in br. bhAshya shankara clarifies :
> the indriya-s always tend to go outwards as a result of prArabdha and this
> will not change even in samyak jnAni.  In the jnAni also due to prArabdha
> which is the cause of his current body invariably produces it's normal
> activities. As a result of this, there is pravrutti in the  faculties of
> speech, mind and body (vAn~g, mana kAya) of the person inspite of his
> paripUrNa jnana (samyakjnAnapraptAvapi).  The reason for this bhAshyakAra
> says here in this case karma is more powerful than the samyak jnAna like
> the released arrow from the bow.
> I would like to know, this status of jnAni which bhAshyakAra explaining is
> on behalf of the jnAni (official spokers person on behalf of all brahma
> jnAni-s :) or it is the explanation for the ajnAni-s those who are still
> seeing jnAni in action like jnAni walking, jnAni talking, jnAni
> interacting, jnAni doing bhikshAcharya,  jnAni expressing his emotions
> etc.  If this clarification is on behalf of the jnAni-s, then jnAni is
> dehavAn, even after paripUrNa  jnana there is vicchinna Chaitanya, which is
> arrested in BMI compartment as a result  karma, karma phala (prArabdha) and
> more importantly that karma has the capacity to even negate the jnana phala
> even in samyak jnAni-s, so karma phala is more potent than paripUrNa
> svarUpa jnana as long as jnAni is arrested in his current mortal coil  !!
> If it is latter i.e. jnAni's deha and its activities is only in the view of
> ajnAni-s / outsiders then it is mere ajnAni's avidyA drushti which he
> superimposed on jnAni.
> Which one of the above is traditionally accepted ??
> Thanks for all the clarification in advance.
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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