[Advaita-l] Fwd: Temple Worship by all

V Subrahmanian v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
Wed Jun 9 19:51:50 CDT 2010

Namaste Sunil ji:

Here are some portions from the Bhagavatam:

(4) Hearing that song aroused Cupid with the women of Vraja and with their
minds seized by Krishna went each of them unknown to the others, with
earrings swinging in the haste, to where He, their boyfriend, was. (5) Some
left in the middle of milking the cows, some abandoned in their eagerness
the milk they had on the stove while others went without taking the cake out
of the oven. (6-7) Some put aside the children they were feeding milk and
dressed up forgetting the service to their husbands, some left in the middle
of having their dinner, some oiled, painted themselves and made up their
eyes while others went near Krishna with their clothes and ornaments in
disarray. (8) They, checked by their husbands, fathers, brothers and other
relatives did, enchanted by Govinda with their hearts stolen, not turn back
[to their duties]. (9) Some gopîs who didn't manage to get away, staying
home closed their eyes and meditated connected in that love [see footnote*
and 10.1: 62 &63]. (10-11)

(17) When the Supreme Lord saw the girls of Vraja arriving near Him spoke
He, the best of all speakers, with a wealth of words that bewildered them.
(18) The Supreme Lord said: 'Be welcome all of you, o fortunate ladies, what
can I do to please you? Please tell Me whether Vraja is all right and for
what reason you came here. (19) This night is full of creatures fearsome in
appearance, so please return to Vraja o slender girls, you women shouldn't
hang around here. (20) Surely do your mothers, fathers, sons, brothers and
husbands looking for you not see you; don't cause anxiety for your kin.
(21-22) You've seen Râka (the goddess of the day of the full moon)
resplendent by her moonlight, you've seen the forest full of flowers even
more pleasurable by the breeze blowing from the Yamunâ that plays through
the leaves of the trees. Go now, without delay, back to the cowherd village,
you must serve your husbands, o chaste ones, the calves and the children are
crying for you to give them milk. (23) Or else, if you have come with your
hearts overtaken by your love for Me, is that indeed laudable of you as all
living beings have affection for Me. (24) For woman it indeed is the highest
dharma to be diligently of service to her husband, to be simple and honest
towards the relatives and to take good care of her family. (25) Provided he
didn't fall [from his belief or being unfaithful] should a husband
bad-hearted, unfortunate, old, retarded, sickly and poor even by women who
desire heaven not be rejected [see also 9.14: 37 and B.G. 1.40]. (26) To be
astray weak in adultery is for a woman of class in all cases something
contemptible: it harms the reputation, creates fear, and gives trouble. (27)
By listening, being in the presence [of the deity and the devotees], by
meditation and by subsequent chanting is one of love for Me; not so much
with physical proximity, therefore please return to your homes [see also
10.23: 33].'

(38) Even the cowherds of Vraja, who bewildered by the power of His mâyâ all
thought that their wives stood at their side, were not jealous with Krishna.
(39) When of Brahmâ a full night had passed went the unwilling gopîs, the
sweethearts of the Supreme Lord, on Krishna's advise to their homes.


We come to know that the gopis did go there.  And Krishna asked them to
return and be with their families.  So that shows that they went there in
their physical bodies alone.  And we also see that 'some' did not manage to
go; prevented they were by their people at home.  They resorted to
meditation.   However, this is a bit puzzling:

// (38) Even the cowherds of Vraja, who bewildered by the power of His mâyâ
all thought that their wives stood at their side, were not jealous with
Krishna. //

It looks like that some cowherds were witnessing the Rasa and saw their
wives in the Rasa.  Yet, they were bewildered by the power of His maya that
they thought  that their wives were indeed standing by their side.  It
appears that they saw their wives with Krishna and yet were not disturbed as
they 'were made to believe' that their wives were by their side.

Someone could explain this better please.


On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Ramakrishna Upadrasta <
uramakrishna at gmail.com> wrote:

> namaste Shri Subbu-ji,
> The adhyaaropa was for the gopi's husbands and not to the gopis. The
> former remained deluded. The latter went with their physical bodies
> only.
> 10290091 antargR^ihagatAH kAshchidgopyo.alabdhavinirgamAH
> 10290093 kR^iShNaM tadbhAvanAyuktA dadhyurmIlitalochanAH
> http://vedabase.net/sb/10/29/9/en
> What was the need for special mention of the Gopis seeing Krishna in
> their bhaava?
> namaste
> Ramakrishna
> 2010/6/9 Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>:
> >
> > Namaste,
> >
> > The gopies travelled in their astral bodies only. You can see this in the
> following verse from the Bhagavatam:
> >
> > "Manyamaanaah svapaarshvasthaan svaan svaan daaraan vrajaukasah"
> (Bhagatam 10.33.38)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 6/8/10, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Temple Worship by all
> > To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 10:41 AM
> >
> >
> > Namaste.
> >
> > The Srimad Bhagavatam must contain verses depicting how the Gopi-s left
> all
> > their household work and rushed to be with Krishna for the Raasa.  Here
> is
> > an account that shows that they left with their physical bodies and not
> > subtle bodies.  Also, from the question Parikshit asked and the reply
> Sage
> > Shuka gave it can be concluded that it was not a matter that could be
> seen
> > as a boy of eight playing with girls in their subtle bodies.  At least
> that
> > is the impression one gets by reading the account given in the
> Bhagavatam.
> >
> > http://www.krsnabook.com/ch29.html
> >
> > It appears that Krsna enjoyed the *rasa* dance with the *gopis* when He
> was
> > eight years old. At that time, many of the *gopis* were married, because
> in
> > India, especially in those days, girls were married at a very early age.
> > There are even many instances of a girl giving birth to a child at the
> age
> > of twelve. Under the circumstances, all the *gopis* who wanted to have
> Krsna
> > as their husband were already married. At the same time, they continued
> to
> > hope that Krsna would be their husband. Their attitude toward Krsna was
> that
> > of paramour love. Therefore, the loving affairs of Krsna with the *gopis*
> is
> > called *parakiya-rasa.* A married man or a wife who desires another wife
> or
> > husband is called *parakiya-rasa.*
> >
> > Immediately upon hearing the vibration of the flute, they all *left*
> their
> > respective engagements and proceeded to the spot where Krsna was
> standing.
> > While they ran very swiftly, all their earrings swung back and forth.
> They
> > all *rushed* toward the place known as Vamsivata. Some of them were
> engaged
> > in milking cows, but they *left* their milking business half finished and
> > immediately went to Krsna. One of them had just collected milk and put it
> in
> > a milk pan on the oven to boil, but she did not care whether the milk
> > overboiled and spilled--she immediately *left* to go see Krsna. Some of
> them
> > were breast feeding their small babies, and some were engaged in
> > distributing food to the members of their families, but they *left* all
> such
> > engagements and immediately *rushed* towards the spot where Krsna was
> > playing His flute. Some were engaged in serving their husbands, and some
> > were themselves engaged in eating, but neither caring to serve their
> > husbands nor eat, they immediately *left*. Some of them wanted to
> decorate
> > their faces with cosmetic ointments and to dress themselves very nicely
> > before going to Krsna, but unfortunately they could not finish their
> > cosmetic decorations nor put on their dresses in the right way because of
> > their anxiety to meet Krsna immediately. Their faces were decorated
> > hurriedly and were haphazardly finished; some even put the lower part of
> > their dresses on the upper part of their bodies and the upper part on the
> > lower part.
> > While all the *gopis* were hurriedly leaving their respective places,
> their
> > husbands, brothers and fathers were all struck with wonder to know where
> > they were going. Being young girls, they were protected either by
> husbands,
> > elderly brothers or fathers. All their guardians forbade them to go to
> > Krsna, but they disregarded them. When a person becomes attracted by
> Krsna
> > and is in full Krsna consciousness, he does not care for any worldly
> duties,
> > even though very urgent. Krsna consciousness is so powerful that it gives
> > everyone relief from all material activities.
> >
> > Om Tat Sat
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Sunil Bhattacharjya <
> > sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Jaldharji,
> >>
> >> May I add two little noticed facts about Lord Krishna'a leela with the
> >> gopies. The Lord was only 8 years old at that time and the bodies of the
> >> gopies were remaining  in their beds and beside their sleeping
> husbands'.
> >> The whole leela was at the level of their sukshma sareera.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
> >>
> >>
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