[Advaita-l] Discussion on Vairagya
anbesivam2 at gmail.com
Sat Aug 4 04:23:20 CDT 2007
Dear Sri Srikanta,
I think you are attributing what I said to Sri Kathiresan. The Samithu is
the dried twigs indicating that like the dried twigs your desires have dried
up. It is a metaphor. Without a Guru there is no release from the
Samsaara. There is no general yard stick to find the Guru. Each finds his
own Guru by the Grace of Easwara which happens, to use Bhagavan Ramana's
words "Easwaraarpitham Nechyayaakritham, ChiththasOdhakam, Mukthi
On 8/2/07, UH SUBRAMANYA <subramanya.uh at in.yokogawa.com> wrote:
> HariH Om!
> Mr. Vishwanthan's statement that " day after day we keep seeing other
> die" refers to the death of Body only and not the SELF whereas in " SELF
> never dies", he refers to Atman. Hence comparison is not correct.
> The body is not self and always perishable, has birth and death whereas
> is Aja ( Not born), Sat, Chit, Anand, Infinite , Shantam, shivam,
> Turiya State etc as stated in Mandukya.
> For clarification by other members
> Subramanya UH
> Consultant, Yokogawa, Bangalore
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "viswanathan n" <vishy39 at hotmail.com>
> To: <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 11:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Discussion on Vairagya
> > Namaste
> > While going thru this posting regarding one thing really struck me.
> > ""Day after day countless people die. Yet the living wish to live
> > forever. O Lord, what can be greater wonder?"
> > I think this can certainly be viewes from the other angle.
> > Day after day we keep seeing other people die. True. But has anyone ever
> > seen him'self' Dying???
> > No...No one can, because the Self never dies. When self never dies how
> > can watch its own death. So what we are seeing as others dying is mere
> > illusion. Like wise the birth too, no one has seen his own
> > it
> > is the even of comming out of mother's womb or the conception itself)
> > When you understand this, ie, both birth and death are mere illusions,
> > can you gat attched to anything? When there is no sort of attachment
> > is the question of Vairagya and what for??
> > Pranams
> > Viswanath
> > -------------------------
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> >>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:38:24 -0700
> >>From: "Dr. V. Prasanna Shrinivas" <vpshri at gmail.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Discussion on Vairagya
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> >>In yaksha prasna when asked what is the greatest wonder Yudishtira
> >>"Day after day countless people die. Yet the living wish to live
> >>forever. O Lord, what can be greater wonder?"
> >>How profound. We see our near and dear depart. Yet we always believe
> >>it will never happen to us. Or atleast feel comfortable thinking that
> >>Just not in this birth, we have had several births where we have
> >>experienced the loss of our near and dear. Inspite of this, we have
> >>not achieved viveka/vairagya.
> >>The truth is we love ourselves so much than anything else. We have
> >>also experienced birth and death in so many janmas. Yet, we have not
> >>achieved viveka/vairagya.
> >>Hence there is nothing new that we have to experience to realize the
> >>truth. All that is required is washing of this vasanas acquired which
> >>can happen only on surrendering to a sadguru as that is paramount.
> >>there is no question of not doing sadhana. The very fact that one is
> >>initiated into a sadhana also happens by His grace. The guru
> >>constantly tests the maturity of the sishya and also gives the latter
> >>the strength to overcome the obstacles in the path of sadhana.
> >>Sadguro Saranam
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