[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Re: Does the mukta/jnani see the world?

V Subrahmanian v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
Fri Dec 22 05:01:31 EST 2023

The Bhagavatam says:  6.16,53,54:

यथा सुषुप्त: पुरुषो विश्वं पश्यति चात्मनि ।
आत्मानमेकदेशस्थं मन्यते स्वप्न उत्थित: ॥ ५३ ॥
एवं जागरणादीनि जीवस्थानानि चात्मन: ।
*मायामात्राणि *विज्ञाय तद् द्रष्टारं परं स्मरेत् ॥ ५४ ॥

When a person is in deep sleep, he dreams and sees in himself many other
objects, such as great mountains and rivers or perhaps even the entire
universe, although they are far away. Sometimes when one awakens from a
dream he sees that he is in a human form, lying in his bed in one place.
Then he sees himself, in terms of various conditions, as belonging to a
particular nationality, family and so on. All the conditions of deep sleep,
dreaming and wakefulness are but energies of the Supreme Personality of
Godhead. One should always remember the original creator of these
conditions, the Supreme Lord, who is unaffected by them.

The term 'MAyAmAtrAni'  rings with the Gaudapada Karika, Agama PrakaraNa:

प्रपञ्चो यदि विद्येत निवर्तेत न संशयः । मायामात्रमिदं द्वैतमद्वैतं
परमार्थतः ॥ १७ ॥

This is Karika for Shankara and Shruti for Madhwa.

The Vaithathya prakarana of the Karika makes an observation that the waking
and dream are different on these grounds:

अन्तःस्थानात्तु भेदानां तस्माज्जागरिते स्मृतम् ।
यथा तत्र तथा स्वप्ने संवृतत्वेन भिद्यते ॥ ४ ॥

जाग्रद्दृश्यानां भावानां वैतथ्यमिति प्रतिज्ञा । दृश्यत्वादिति हेतुः ।
स्वप्नदृश्यभाववदिति दृष्टान्तः । यथा तत्र स्वप्ने दृश्यानां भावानां
वैतथ्यम् , तथा जागरितेऽपि दृश्यत्वमविशिष्टमिति हेतूपनयः । तस्माज्जागरितेऽपि
वैतथ्यं स्मृतमिति निगमनम् । अन्तःस्थानात्संवृतत्वेन च स्वप्नदृश्यानां
भावानां जाग्रद्दृश्येभ्यो भेदः । दृश्यत्वमसत्यत्वं चाविशिष्टमुभयत्र ॥
The sameness of the dream and waking is stated with an anumAna prayoga. The
only difference is that: The objects of the dream are 'inside' the
dreamer's body and also compressed. However, the sameness is on the ground
of both the dream and waking being drshya and asatya.

स्वप्नजागरिते स्थाने ह्येकमाहुर्मनीषिणः ।
भेदानां हि समत्वेन प्रसिद्धेनैव हेतुना ॥ ५ ॥
प्रसिद्धेनैव भेदानां ग्राह्यत्वेन हेतुना समत्वेन
स्वप्नजागरितस्थानयोरेकत्वमाहुर्विवेकिन इति पूर्वप्रमाणसिद्धस्यैव फलम् ॥

That they are observed, objectified, is common to both dream and waking.

One can read the next few verses for a kind of an argument on the above



On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 3:12 PM 'Bhaskar YR' via advaitin <
advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:

> praNAms
> Hare Krishna
> svapnatvaM ( for example trayee svapnaaH) is to convey the sAdrushyam not
> to strike the absolute similarity.  Svapna being internal and confined to
> individual and waking world being wide and outside but the sAdrushyaM is
> both are seen and changing, bhAshyakAra clarifies somewhere in kArikA
> bhAshya itself.
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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