[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Re: Does the mukta/jnani see the world?

Srinath Vedagarbha svedagarbha at gmail.com
Thu Dec 21 21:06:39 EST 2023

Namaste Sri.Sudhansu ji,

On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 11:02 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>

> How do you know that the state which you refer to as waking is not a
> dream? You state that waking is superior to dream. But to determine that
> what you think as waking is not a dream. In dream also, you thoght that to
> be waking.

In my dream I might have thought it was real, but subsequently it is
getting contradicted all the time. So, unless waking is contradicted, you
cannot say it is also the same as the dream.

You may invoke shabda pramANa in saying it "would" eventually. But that is
a different story. Remember, your original claim is that you prove "based
on logic" (indifference between waking and dream state). I am restricting
scope of my argument to logic alone as it was your original premise.

> Let us first understand this.
> 1. In dream also, Shruti were there and relied upon as pramANa.

Nope. in this waking state, shruti's pramANya is due to its
apouruShEyattvaM. Shruti vAkya seen in the dream is your own kalpita (or
you are the kartu) and does not  have independent avichinna parampara. If
you allude to its abAdhita-artha, as said before such artha pramANya is due
its pramANya established apriory in the waking state and not independent of

> 2. Untenable as the non-dream-hood of waking is still to be proved.

It is not contradicted (yet). The onus is on the one who says it would
contradict. Do not forget you are a vaidIka and hold svataha-pramANya!

> 3. Same as 2. Both 2 and 3 were used by you in your dream to aver the
> non-dream-hood of your dream. Proves nothing.
> Again all such claims in the dreams are indeed contradicted. In the case
of waking state, I always wake up to the same bed, same house and to the
same Advaita forum!  This prove waking is non-contradicted,Can you say
the same to dream? Canyou go to the dream to the same continuity of
scene(s) as you dreamt before?

Hence it is logical to say dream state has sAdriShya with the waking state.
It is wrong to claim both are the same.


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