[Advaita-l] atman and isvara
chevendrakaushik at gmail.com
Thu Apr 20 09:36:12 EDT 2023
Someone had given me a upamana of isvara and Maya.
A jeevatma is the Atman but the body/Manas etc are under his control, i.e
he has the power to do actions. But in reality he is a mere witness as the
Isvara too has the same superimposition with his gunas of jnanaishwarya
Shakthi etc. He has his Maya under his control as it's superimposed on him.
Just as the jeevatma has the body superimposed on him, isvara too has such
gunas. But in reality he too never does any action.
The nirguna brahman coming in contact with Maya and possessing the superior
upadhis becomes isvara. And possessing the interior gunas becomes the
jeevatamas. Leading to the ruler and ruled(BSB bhasya) while it does
nothing. As the body is under the control of jeeva so is the world in
control of isvara as he is the nimmita karana.
So that Atman has the form of nirakara nirguna where it remains as the mere
witness. When in possession of Maya becomes the nirakara saguna isvara. And
possessing a form for the bakthas becomes the saguna sakara roopam.
If any errors or additions the elders can correct me.
On Wed, 19 Apr, 2023, 6:37 pm Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> Ishvara when understand as nirvisheSha is neither antaryAmI not bahiryAmI
> (i.e., the sRShti kartA).
> The use of the word antaryAmI for Ishvara is prior to discovering that he
> is advayaM nirviShesham and does not do any yamanaM of anything or anybody,
> there being no other counterpart to nirvisheSham brahma over which this
> control can be exercised.
> On Tue, 18 Apr, 2023, 8:30 pm Kaushik Chevendra via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > Namaste.
> > A small question has arisen. Will be glad if the elders can provide an
> > answer.
> > Isvara is said to be the creator,sustainer,destroyer etc of the universe.
> > He is also the karma phala data, etc. He is possessed of gunas.
> > He is the atman(antaryamin of all beings). But the antaryamin atman is
> > nirvesha and never does any activity. The atman by its mere presence
> > facilitates the body and manas do its work,
> > Then how is that isvara is the atman(nirvesha) at the same time
> > of maya and possesed of gunas of sarvashaktha,sarvajnata etc.
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