[Advaita-l] Commentary on Ramana's Forty Verses
sjayana at yahoo.com
Thu Jun 17 17:54:06 EDT 2021
Akilesh Ayyar ayyar at akilesh.com wrote:
> Another unequivocal Ramana quote. Let's not do Bhagavan the disservice of
> suggesting he's lying to his disciple in response to a direct question:
> D: Can a married man realise the Self?
> M: Certainly. Married or unmarried, a man can realise the Self; because
> That is here and now. If it were not
> so, but attainable by some effort at some time, and if it were new and had
> to be acquired, it would not be worth pursuit. Because, what is not natural
> is not permanent either. But what I say is that the Self is here and now,
> and alone.
> (Maharishi's Gospel, Book 1, Chapter 1)
No doubt anyone can attain Atma-GYAna, but that does equate directly to the sthita-praGYa state.
The distinction between GYAnimAtra and sthitapraGYa is the very essence of the jIvanmuktiviveka
by Swami Vidyaranya, who gives examples of householders who attained Atma-GYAna but not jIvanmukti,
e.g. yAGYavalkya, Janaka, durvAsa, etc. The summary is found here:
Ramana Bhagavan talks about the distinction between attaining Self-knowledge and *steadiness*
in Self-knowledge several times:
Talks with Ramana Maharshi, # 562
Q: There is a statement in the book Vichara Sangraha that though a
person realises the Self once, he cannot, for that simple reason
alone, become a mukta. He continues to remain a victim of vasanas
(latencies). Sri Bhagavan was asked whether the realisation referred
to was the same as the jnani's, and if so why there should be a
difference in their effects.
M.: The experience is the same. Every person experiences the Self
consciously or unconsciously. The ajnani's experience is clouded by
his latencies whereas the jnani's is not so. The jnani's experience
of the Self is therefore distinct and permanent. A practiser may by
long practice gain a glimpse of the Reality. This experience may be
vivid for the time being. And yet he will be distracted by the old
vasanas and so his experience will not avail him. Such a man must
continue his manana and nididhyasana so that all the obstacles may
be destroyed. He will then be able to remain permanently in the Real
Talks with Ramana Maharshi, # 289
M.: Some extraordinary persons get drdha jnana (unshaken knowledge)
even on hearing the Truth only once (sakrchhravana matrena).
Because they are krthopasakah (advanced seekers), whereas the
akrthopasakah (raw seekers) take longer to gain drdha jnana
Talks with Ramana Maharshi, # 95
M.: The seekers fall into two classes; kritopasaka and
akritopasaka. The former having already overcome his
predisposition by steady devotion, his mind thus made pure,
has had some kind of experience but does not comprehend it;
as soon as instructed by a competent master, permanent
The other class of seeker needs great effort to
achieve this end.
The above is exactly what Swami Vidyaranya calls the state of the GYAnimAtra.
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