[Advaita-l] Commentary on Ramana's Forty Verses
ayyar at akilesh.com
Wed Jun 16 16:11:49 EDT 2021
On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 3:09 PM Ven Balakrishnan <ventzu at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Four responses:
> 1) I’m just replaying your quote. Do you believe Ramana was exaggerating
> for effect? What was his intention in writing such a strongly worded
> phrase - surely not to mislead?
Not at all to mislead. It has to be understood, as I put it in my
commentary: "By dying to what is changing — to what one thought one was,
but in fact is not — one realizes oneself to actually be the unchanging."
The unchanging has no truck with either doing or not-doing. Those
categories do not apply.
> 2) Recall that Bhagavan when he arrived at Tiruvannamallai, sat
> indifferent to his body and the insects biting him, let alone requirements
> for food, for days on end. He had to be force fed.
Yes, yes, and Bhagavan has said many times that his path is not for
everyone and not required for jnana.
> 3) Lakshmana Sarma - who received personal instruction on Ulladu Narpadu
> from Bhagavan - wrote this in HIS commentary on this verse:
> “The knowledge born out of personal experience that worldly life is
> riddled with sorrow turns one through dispassion towards nivritti marga,
> the path of withdrawal from activity or of renunciation.
Nivritti marga agani has to be understood. True renunciation is the
renunciation of the ego, not of gross physical activity, as both Ramana and
the Bhagavad Gita have said repeatedly.
> 4) Then there is Gaudapada, MK 2.37:
> “He should have this body and the Atman as his support and depend upon
> chances, ie he should be satisfied with those things for his physical
> wants, that chance brings him”
> Sankara underscores this in his bhasya to this verse
> “He entirely depends on circumstances, that is to say, he maintains his
> body with whatever food or strips of cloth, etc are brought to him by mere
Yes, we understand that these are the monastic traditions they worked in.
But that's because these Upanishads were geared towards monks. This is not
the requirement for jnana for everyone.
> Hope that clarifies what ‘dead to themselves and their possessions’ means.
> > On 16 Jun 2021, at 16:44, Akilesh Ayyar via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > If so, why would they eat?
> > On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 4:07 AM Ven Balakrishnan <ventzu at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> “DEAD TO THEMSELVES AND THEIR POSSESSIONS”
> >> Ramanamaharishi is entirely consistent with Sankara saying a jnani will
> >> inevitably take up the life of a paramahamsa ascetic, since s/he has no
> >> desires, no fear, no attachments, not even to body-mind - like a snake
> >> has shed its skin.
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>> On 15 Jun 2021, at 17:26, Akilesh Ayyar via Advaita-l <
> >> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >>> Namaste,
> >>> This is the commentary on the next verse.
> >>> From
> >>> :
> >>> II. THOSE WHO KNOW INTENSE FEAR OF DEATH SEEK REFUGE ONLY AT THE FEET
> >>> THE LORD WHO HAS NEITHER DEATH NOR BIRTH. DEAD TO THEMSELVES AND THEIR
> >>> POSSESSIONS, CAN THE THOUGHT OF DEATH OCCUR TO THEM AGAIN? DEATHLESS
> >>> THEY.
> >>> *Commentary:* All fear is rooted in the fear of death. But death can
> >>> afflict what is born, that is, what is changing: that is, what is
> >> thought.
> >>> We have just seen that what is Real is unchanging, and that what is
> >> is
> >>> us.
> >>> The Lord who has neither birth nor death is none other than this very
> >>> Reality, the Heart. This Lord may go by many other names — Shiva or
> >> Vishnu
> >>> or God or the Goddess, for example. But ultimately they all refer to
> >>> unchanging Reality.
> >>> In order to take refuge at the feet of this Lord, all else must be
> >>> up. This giving up is a kind of death. By dying to what is changing —
> >>> what one thought one was, but in fact is not — one realizes oneself to
> >>> actually be the unchanging. What seems mortal has in fact never been
> >>> to begin with, and what is immortal cannot die. And the thought of
> >>> cannot occur to the immortals, which are those who have given up their
> >>> stake in everything changing.
> >>> At any time, see all the forty verses posts that I have published so
> >>> here
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