[Advaita-l] Commentary on Ramana's Forty Verses
ventzu at yahoo.co.uk
Wed Jun 16 15:09:21 EDT 2021
1) I’m just replaying your quote. Do you believe Ramana was exaggerating for effect? What was his intention in writing such a strongly worded phrase - surely not to mislead?
2) Recall that Bhagavan when he arrived at Tiruvannamallai, sat indifferent to his body and the insects biting him, let alone requirements for food, for days on end. He had to be force fed.
3) Lakshmana Sarma - who received personal instruction on Ulladu Narpadu from Bhagavan - wrote this in HIS commentary on this verse:
“The knowledge born out of personal experience that worldly life is riddled with sorrow turns one through dispassion towards nivritti marga, the path of withdrawal from activity or of renunciation.
4) Then there is Gaudapada, MK 2.37:
“He should have this body and the Atman as his support and depend upon chances, ie he should be satisfied with those things for his physical wants, that chance brings him”
Sankara underscores this in his bhasya to this verse
“He entirely depends on circumstances, that is to say, he maintains his body with whatever food or strips of cloth, etc are brought to him by mere chance”
Hope that clarifies what ‘dead to themselves and their possessions’ means.
> On 16 Jun 2021, at 16:44, Akilesh Ayyar via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> If so, why would they eat?
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 4:07 AM Ven Balakrishnan <ventzu at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> “DEAD TO THEMSELVES AND THEIR POSSESSIONS”
>> Ramanamaharishi is entirely consistent with Sankara saying a jnani will
>> inevitably take up the life of a paramahamsa ascetic, since s/he has no
>> desires, no fear, no attachments, not even to body-mind - like a snake that
>> has shed its skin.
>> Sent from my iPad
>>> On 15 Jun 2021, at 17:26, Akilesh Ayyar via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>> This is the commentary on the next verse.
>>> II. THOSE WHO KNOW INTENSE FEAR OF DEATH SEEK REFUGE ONLY AT THE FEET OF
>>> THE LORD WHO HAS NEITHER DEATH NOR BIRTH. DEAD TO THEMSELVES AND THEIR
>>> POSSESSIONS, CAN THE THOUGHT OF DEATH OCCUR TO THEM AGAIN? DEATHLESS ARE
>>> *Commentary:* All fear is rooted in the fear of death. But death can only
>>> afflict what is born, that is, what is changing: that is, what is
>>> We have just seen that what is Real is unchanging, and that what is Real
>>> The Lord who has neither birth nor death is none other than this very
>>> Reality, the Heart. This Lord may go by many other names — Shiva or
>>> or God or the Goddess, for example. But ultimately they all refer to this
>>> unchanging Reality.
>>> In order to take refuge at the feet of this Lord, all else must be given
>>> up. This giving up is a kind of death. By dying to what is changing — to
>>> what one thought one was, but in fact is not — one realizes oneself to
>>> actually be the unchanging. What seems mortal has in fact never been born
>>> to begin with, and what is immortal cannot die. And the thought of death
>>> cannot occur to the immortals, which are those who have given up their
>>> stake in everything changing.
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