[Advaita-l] Questions regarding the Isa Upanishad verse 1

Kartik Vashishta kartik.unix at gmail.com
Sun Oct 25 11:00:22 EDT 2020


No derogatory sense is applied/implied etc....

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 8:15 AM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>

> Namaste.
> Also in what sense are you addressing the Swamiji as **blessed**, **
> highly blessed** etc so repeatedly? In a derogative sense??
> Regards
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 6:35 PM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Namaste.
>> Reg  <<  Doubt: How can something that is not full be
>> "ever-enduring"...also, since
>> it is a part and hence not "ever-enduring" it is not real...is the blessed
>> Swami contradicting himself?  >>,
>> Where in this portion has the Swamiji stated what you have attributed to
>> him here
>> Regards
>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 9:25 AM Kartik Vashishta via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>> OM
>>> Revered Self,
>>> Sadar Pranam,
>>> Blessed be thou, I have some doubts on reading the blessed Sri Sri Swami
>>> Krishnananda Ji's book. Please kindly remove my doubts:
>>> https://www.swami-krishnananda.org/essay/essay_1.html
>>> That is full; this is full. From the full the full proceeds. Taking the
>>> full from the full, the full alone remains. That Absolute is full. This
>>> created being is also full. Brahman is infinitude and is therefore full.
>>> That which proceeds from the full or the infinite must be either real or
>>> unreal. If it is real, it must also be full, because a part cannot be
>>> ever-enduring, and that which is not always enduring is not real.
>>> Doubt: How can something that is not full be "ever-enduring"...also,
>>> since
>>> it is a part and hence not "ever-enduring" it is not real...is the
>>> blessed
>>> Swami contradicting himself?
>>>  If it is unreal, nothing proceeds at all. This means to say that either
>>> infinity is the product of infinity or nothing proceeds from infinity.
>>> Infinity cannot proceed from infinity, because, thereby, there would be
>>> two
>>> infinities. Hence, the proceeding of infinity from infinity does not
>>> change
>>> infinity, because infinity alone remains even after that. The drift of
>>> the
>>> statement is that infinity is unchanging and this mantra is a figurative
>>> way of saying that nothing proceeds from infinity.
>>> Doubt: How did the Swami arrive at this conclusion, please, nblessed be
>>> thou, explain.
>>> Even the idea of something proceeding from infinity is based on its
>>> essential character of infinity. That which is produced, namely,
>>> Hiranyagarbha, or the universe, must be infinite. Otherwise there should
>>> be
>>> something outside Hiranyagarbha, or the universe. The universe includes
>>> space, also, and beyond space there is nothing. Therefore, the universe
>>> is
>>> infinite. Even the individual that is created is essentially infinite.
>>> Taking infinity from infinity is only an idea and not a possibility.
>>> Doubt: The blessed and highly blessed Swami seems to suggest that there
>>> are
>>> two more i"infinities" besides Brahman, namely, Hirayanaghabrbha and the
>>> individual self. Please blessed be thou, explain.
>>> Therefore, the infinite alone exists without change in past, present and
>>> future. Om Santih, Santih, Santih - May the three tapas (afflictions)
>>> cease, and may there be peace.
>>> Doubt: Hari Om! By the grace of God/Guru, I probably understand this,
>>> however, not the reasoning behind it as stated in my questions above.
>>> All this is pervaded by the Lord, whatever is moving (and not moving) in
>>> this world. By such renunciation enjoy (or protect). Do not covet the
>>> wealth of anyone. Vasyam or avasyam means fit to be dwelt by or clothed
>>> by
>>> or covered over by. The universe is to be covered over by the
>>> consciousness
>>> of God. It means that God indwells every being of the universe. But this
>>> indwelling does not in any way create a distinction between the indweller
>>> and the indwelled. The Lord exists as the innermost Self of all. The
>>> Self,
>>> however, cannot pervade itself. Pervasion, here, means existence. The
>>> universe in essence is the truth of God Himself. It does not exist as an
>>> object to be covered over by God, like cloth, etc. There is nothing in
>>> this
>>> universe which can have any value or being without the existence of God.
>>> This is to say that God is the sole existence.
>>> Doubt: How is "The Self, however, cannot pervade itself" that to be
>>> explained?
>>> Pranam,
>>> OM
>>> Kartik Vashishta
>>> OM
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