[Advaita-l] SATCHIDANANDENDRA WORKS-Orthodoxy?

[Kuntimaddi Sadananda]

Chandramouliji - PraNAms
As I understand;
Brahman being infinite is ever revealing and also from its reference there is nothing else for it to get revealed. 
Jeeva we define using Swami Paramarthanandaji terminology, the reflection of the all-pervading Brahman in the local mind by chidaabhaasa. Thus we have OC, original all-pervading consciousness, the RM, the reflecting medium, the subtle body, and RC, the refecting consciousness.
Since it is consciousness that is getting reflected. that mind which is now enlivened via RC, thinks that I am an independent conscious entity. That mind is confused. It is similar to moon thinking that I am a self-luminous entity in the sky not knowing that it is sunlight that it is reflecting.
 Hence 'I am = this' is a notion that develops in the mind. It is to that mind, instructions are to go a teacher to learn the facts - tat vijnaasaswa - tat vijnaaraatham gurum eva abhigacchet.. etc.
Hari Om!
Sadananda



 

    On Sunday, June 14, 2020, 11:13:03 AM GMT+5:30, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Pranams Sri Sadananda Ji and Sri Subrahmanian Ji,
Somehow I got the feeling that in the views presented by both of you, the Svaprakashatva aspect of Brahman/Atman is missing. Brahman "reveals"  Itself in the mind.
Regards

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On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 11:01 AM V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

Dear Sada ji,  You are correct.  Here is an old post of mind which would be
interesting to you, if you had not already seen it:

Recently I was listening to the well-known Vishishtadvaitin scholar and
exponent
Sri VeLukkuDi Krishnan Swami's discourses on the TiruppAvai. He mentioned
something that was very new and interesting to me:

In the srivaishnava (vishishtadvaita) tradition there are two streams:
propounded by Vedanta Desika and Pillai LokAcharya. While the former
advocates
sharaNAgati the latter disagrees with him that that is not the upAya but the
Lord Himself is the upAya to be sought for mokSha. These two streams have
gained very distinct positions in the srivaishnava tradition that they go
by the
names 'vaDakalai' and 'tengalai' respectively and a considerable amount of
animosity too prevails between the two groups, expressing itself in somewhat
awkward ways even to this day.

The Swami presented the two 'schools' and appealed to the srivaishnavas in
general to give up animosity. He sought to reconcile the two this way: For
both
these AchAryas, Ramanuja is the Master. They owe their highest loyalty to
him.
While Vedanta Desika advocated sharaNAgati as upAya he was basing it on the
Vedanta ['yo brahmANam vidadhAt pUrvam....mumukShurvai sharaNam aham
prapadye' of the Upanishad]. Pillai LokAchArya while denouncing the
sharaNAgati
as upAya argued that the Lord is Compassion personified and it is owing to
His compassion that there can be moksha. 'sharaNAgati' would be a business
approach for one will think: I have
done sharaNAgati and therefore I must get moksha'. But the Lord's chief
guNa of
'compassion' does not get a place in such a situation. Therefore, one should
seek the Lord Himself and will get liberated out of His compassion. The
reconciliation is this way: Both the Acharyas are only highlighting one
aspect
while they know for sure that the other aspect is also not to be lost sight
of.
Unless asked for one cannot get moksha. And unless 'granted' one cannot get
mokSha. Thus both sharaNAgati and the Lord's compassion have their
respective
roles in an aspirant getting moksha.

I remembered a parallel situation in Advaita. Dr. Mani Dravid SastriNaH, a
top-ranking scholar of Advaita, once presented a paper where an aspect of
the BhAmati and the
VivaraNa schools were reconciled:

While one holds that the moksha-giving knowledge is generated through the
operation of the mind, the other holds that it is brought about by the
mahAvAkya. Now, it might appear that these are two exclusive positions. The
reconciliation lies in recognizing that it is impossible to the mind to
generate
the vRtti unless it is trained by the mahavakya-anusandhAnam. The mahAvAkya
by
itself, too, can't give knowledge unless it passes through the cultivated
mind.
Thus both the positions have the requirement of the other too and when this
is
kept in mind there will be no real difference between the two schools, in
this
aspect.

This Advaitic scholar has worked out similar reconciliations of a few more
aspects of these
two streams.

Regards,
subrahmanian.v



On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 8:26 AM Kuntimaddi Sadananda via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Subbuji - PraNAms
> The following statements got my attention:
> Bhamati : 2. The mind is the instrument for realization.
>
> Vivarana: 2. The mahavakya itself generates realization.
> I am not sure if there is any conflict between the two statements.
> 'mana eva manushyaanaam kaaranam bandha moksha yoH'
> Mahavakya vichara has to be done with the mind only -Hence there is vRitti
> vyaapti.
> There is no phala vyaapti - since it is aparoxam.
> The confusion is in the mind and realization also has to happen in the
> mind only - Mind activated by chidaabhaasa has the notion that 'I am =
> this' which is also ahankaara.
> With mahaavakya vichaara using the mind, it has to recognize the pure
> consciousness that I am, is not the mind but that which enlivens this mind
> as well as all other minds too.
> In addition,  even the Prakriti that includes the mind is only mithyaa,
> and 'I am' is substantive for the mind and the world too.  This
> understanding happens in a clear analysis (viveka) of the mahavakyas, by
> the mind.
> Not sure, How Sri Madhusudana discusses this.
> Shree Venkatraghavanji can shed light on this.
> Hari Om!
> Sadananda
>
>
>
>     On Sunday, June 14, 2020, 08:08:56 AM GMT+5:30, Kuntimaddi Sadananda
> via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>  Subbuji - PraNAms
> Thanks for the post.
> I like some concepts of Bhamati and some concepts of vivarana schools.
> Need to think about it.
> Hari Om!Sadananda
>
>
>
>     On Saturday, June 13, 2020, 04:37:19 PM GMT+5:30, V Subrahmanian via
> Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>  Copied from an old post of Sri Ravisankar Mayavaram:
>
> 1. Brief summary of
> differences:http://ambaa.org/pdf/bhamati-vivarana-differences-brief.pdf
>
> 2. Points of Difference Between Bhamati and Vivarana,  Based on the Bhumika
> of Polagam Sri Rama Sastri, as explained by Dr. Mani Dravid Sastrigal  and
> translated by S.N.Sastri.
>
>  http://ambaa.org/pdf/bhamati-vivarana-diff_mds_sns.pdf
>
>  http://ambaa.org/pdf/bhamati_vivarana_diff_mds_sns_formatted.pdf
>
>
> I received these documents a while ago from Late Sri Sundararaman mama, I
> might have shared these with Advaita-L before.  Formatted version has no
> new content, I did  that for my ease of reading.
>
>
> Ravi
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 3:57 PM Kuntimaddi Sadananda via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Bhaskarji - PraNAms
> > Thanks, will be waiting for a more detailed explanation. Particularly how
> > the explanations differ between the two schools.
> > Hari Om!Sadananda
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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