[Advaita-l] Why did Brahman create the world?

[V Subrahmanian]

A correction:  // even while gets produced// is to be read as ...   even
while getting produced.

regards

On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 7:59 AM V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Very interesting insights. However, avidya, rather its effects, is
> experienced in the antahkaraNam.  And the remedy is to generate vidya
> (vritti) in the antahkaranam alone. In the Vivekachudamani the idea '
> कार्यनाशात्  कारणनाशः' is taught, though with respect to the vāsanā
> management. Yet, this is universally true.  In the Bh.Gita bhashya famous
> dialogue on 'Whose is avidya?' also is pertinent in this discussion. Since
> avidya is experienced as 'vishaya' by the Vishayi the sakshi, it clearly
> comes out as anaatmaa. Thus we have avidya being experienced in its kaarya,
> the antahkaranam.
>
> Sri MDS once gave a verse which says:  The pot, though gets produced in
> space, even as the process is on, a pot-space too gets produced.
>
> So the antahkaranam, jiva, even while gets produced, in/due to  avidya,
> also has the 'space' for avidya in it.    This, of course, is not the same
> as 'antahkaranam/jiva being the vishaya for avidya.'   Avidya, still,
> conceals the muula Brahman, which is why jiva experiences paricchinnataa,
> etc. that are characters of samsara.  But this concealment is to be
> addressed, by default, only on the arena of antahkaranam where alone it is
> experienced.
>
> warm regards
> subbu
>
> On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 1:43 AM Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Yes, that is true. In the third chapter of the naiShkarmyasiddhi,
>> sureshvarAchArya says:
>>
>> तच्चाज्ञानं स्वात्ममात्र निमित्तं न संभवतीति कस्यचित्कस्मिंश्चिद्विषये
>> भवतीत्यभ्युपगन्तव्यम् । इह च पदार्थद्वयं निर्द्धारितमात्मानात्मा च ।
>> तत्रानात्मनस्तावन्नाज्ञानेनाभिसंबन्धः । तस्य हि स्वरूपमेवाज्ञानं न हि
>> स्वतोऽज्ञानस्याज्ञानं घटते । संभवदप्यज्ञानस्वभावेऽज्ञानं कमतिशयं जनयेत् ।
>> न च तत्र ज्ञानप्राप्तिरस्ति येन तत्प्रतिषेधात्मकमज्ञानं स्यात् ।
>> अनात्मनश्चाज्ञानप्रसूतत्त्वात् । न हि पूर्वसिद्धं सत्ततोलब्धात्मलाभस्य
>> सेत्स्यत आश्रयस्याश्रयि संभवति । तदनपेक्षस्य च तस्य निस्स्वभावत्वात् ।
>>
>> Ignorance cannot exist in itself / for itself - it always must be
>> someone's
>> and about something. We have established (that there can be only) two
>> categories - the self and the non-self. Ignorance cannot belong to the
>> non-self, for ignorance is its (the non-self's) very nature, and ignorance
>> cannot experience ignorance by itself. Even if it was possible, what can
>> the rise of ignorance in ignorance bring about? Nor can knowledge arise
>> there (in the non-self), for it to remove an ignorance located there.
>> Further, non-self is born from ignorance. A thing whose existence is
>> dependent on a logically precedent thing cannot be the locus of that (the
>> very thing that it is dependent upon). It has no aspect independent of it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Venkatraghavan
>>
>> On Sat, 1 Feb 2020, 11:08 Praveen R. Bhat, <bhatpraveen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks, Subbuji, Venkatji,
>> >
>> > On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 2:48 PM Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <
>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> There is a Sloka from the samkshepa shAriraka that captures both ideas
>> -
>> >> that the effect not only cannot be the locus of the cause and that it
>> >> cannot grasp / know the cause:
>> >>
>> >> आश्रयत्वविषयत्वभागिनी निर्विभागचितिरेव केवला ।
>> >> पूर्वसिद्धतमसो हि पश्चिमो *नाश्रयो भवति नापि गोचरः॥*
>> >>
>> >
>> > There is something similar in Naishkarmyasiddhi if memory serves me
>> right.
>> >
>> > Kind rgds,
>> > --Praveen R. Bhat
>> > /* येनेदं सर्वं विजानाति, तं केन विजानीयात्। Through what should one
>> know
>> > That owing to which all this is known! [Br.Up. 4.5.15] */
>> >
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