[Advaita-l] Please clarify some terms for me.
Raghav Kumar Dwivedula
raghavkumar00 at gmail.com
Fri Aug 14 00:13:48 EDT 2020
> One last nuance is that, although AvaraNa is 'a priori' to the mind,
> still, it is removed by a waking mental vRtti called the vidyA vRtti
> through shravaNa, manana, nidhidhyaasanam. So for all practical purposes we
> have to work with the waking mind which is the gateway to AvaraNa. So
> AvaraNa does have a special relation to the mind.
> You can use the dream analogy again. In the dream, a dream guru has to
> come and give upadesha to that dream body-mind to wake you up saying "you
> are ignorant of your true nature as the waker etc. You are That etc." and
> the dream guru may well pour a bucket of dream water on the dream body, if
> necessary to wake him up.
> On Fri, 14 Aug, 2020, 9:35 AM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula, <
> raghavkumar00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Namaste Soma ji
>> The word AvaraNa is the 'veiling power' of avidyA and it does indeed
>> continue in deep sleep. AvaraNa, please note, is not there "in" the mind.
>> AvaraNa does not need the mind to exist. Rather this entity called 'mind'
>> is an effect or consequence of AvaraNa and vixepa.
>> A helpful way of visualising this is by the dream analogy. Within a dream
>> there is a dream body and dream mind and dream mountains etc. The knowledge
>> that "I am in reality the waking person lying on the bed, is veiled/blocked
>> in the dream." This veil/block cannot be said to restricted to the being
>> 'within' the dream mind. Rather the dream mind is also part of the dream
>> world itself. And the entire dream world (including dream body and dream
>> mind and dream mountains) are a projection born of AvaraNa and vixepa
>> capacity which belongs to the *waker*.
>> Now coming to the waker himself. His mind, body and external world
>> experienced by him are all projected due to the vixepa shakti aspect of
>> That is why I had written that we should not think the waking mind has a
>> certain defect/lacuna called AvarANa. Rather the waking mind itself would
>> not have got created/projected but for AvaraNa which continues in deep
>> You can also use another logic. If there was no mind in deep sleep. How
>> or why did we wake up at all? Some dormant capacity was there even in deep
>> sleep which leads to a waking mind and waking world arising/getting
>> projected from that condition of "no-mind-deep-sleep".
>> On Thu, 13 Aug, 2020, 7:53 PM smallpress, <smallpress at ymail.com> wrote:
>>> Very interesting thought, Raghav. If no mind in sushupti, which seems
>>> right, how can there be avarana?
>>> Kindly clarify.
>>> Thank you.
>>> On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 06:30:51 AM EDT, Raghav Kumar Dwivedula
>>> via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>> Namaste Soma
>>> On AvaraNa and vikShepa, please see the above link
>>> The *mind itself* is a part of the projected World. So we don't say the
>>> mind "has" AvaraNa etc. Maybe you are already clear about this. But
>>> I would reiterate this.
>>> In deep sleep, there is no manifestation of the mind or world. No
>>> is present. But AvaraNa is still there.
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