[Advaita-l] Question about Sri Vidyaranya's JMV & jnani matra

[H S Chandramouli]

On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 7:22 AM Anand Hudli via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

<< Please see the text from Kena Upanishad quoted by Raghavji. The analogy
used in Kena is that of master-servant. Just as service rendered to a
master by a servant creates an impression in the  mind of the master, who
then rewards the servant accordingly, a yajna/karma performed creates a
mental impression in Ishvara, who then bestows the doer of the karma with
the appropriate result >> .

Undoubtedly,  as suggested, the Kena text should be read. The question is ,
by whom?.

Does the Bhashya mean that Ishvara is  ** impressed  ** by the yajna/karma
performed by a doer?? I don’t think so. Just as in the illustration, a
servant does a job to impress the master who in turn is impressed, even so
a doer performs a yajna/karma  thinking that he will impress Ishvara who
 then, having been  **impressed**, will bestow favours on him. The scope of
the illustration ends there. It is not extended by Sri Bhagavatpada  to say
that Ishvara indeed is  ** impressed ** by the same. Ishvara is
specifically  stated to be a  **sAkshi** for the yajna/karma. SAkshi is not
one who is  **impressed**. He is nirvikAri. As per mImAmsakAs, the karma
itself bestows the intended benefits to the doer via the generation of
apUrva. As per advaita sidhAnta, karma or karmaphala does not by itself
bestow the benefits because it is inert, but the benefits of the karmaphala
are bestowed  on the doer through an ** Intelligent ** entity, namely
Ishvara. In fact in the Kena context, this is presented as shruti pramANa
for  ** Existence ** of Ishvara.  There is nothing like ** Ishvara’s
 samskAra ** intended by Sri Bhagavatpada.  Ishvara  as a sAkshi /
antaryAmi ( Kena bhashya cites the relevant shruti vAkya in this regard )
ensures that the benefits of the yajna/karma indeed are made available to
the doer at the appropriate time.

Then the question arises where is this info stored till fruition?.That is
the question I had addressed.

 Reg << Hence, there is no need to speculate otherwise >>,

Needless speculation??  Well  it is your prerogative to judge.  If it helps
anyone else, purpose is served.

Regards




On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 7:22 AM Anand Hudli via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 12:42 AM H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 1:03 PM Anand Hudli via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> > <<  They seem to
> > be saying that fruits of actions cannot be granted by Apurva or karma
> > *alone*, thereby not ruling out the case where Ishvara is the adhiShThAna
> > for Apurva. In fact, this is made clear in the gItA-bhAShya 3.14-15,
> where
> > Shankara says yajna is Apurva and goes on say that such yajna/Apurva is
> the
> > result of activities of the Rtviks and yajamAna. These activities are
> > prescribed in the Veda, which itself arises from Brahman. Hence, we may
> > conclude that Apurva, though an unintelligent entity has an intelligent
> > entity, Ishvara as its adhiShThAna  >>,
> >
> > Is not apUrva  located in avidya or avyAkRta ?  That is what Sri
> > Sureswaracharya states in his vArtika, assuming that apUrva  in this
> > context is synonymous with karma. Nodoubt this has Brahman as
> adhiShThana.
>
>
> Please see the text from Kena Upanishad quoted by Raghavji. The analogy
> used in Kena is that of master-servant. Just as service rendered to a
> master by a servant creates an impression in the  mind of the master, who
> then rewards the servant accordingly, a yajna/karma performed creates a
> mental impression in Ishvara, who then bestows the doer of the karma with
> the appropriate result. It should be clear that we are talking about
> Ishvara as the giver of results of karma, and also witnessing the actions
> of all. Hence, there is no need to speculate otherwise.
>
> Anand
>
>
>
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