[Advaita-l] Fwd: Rama and Krishna are Jiva-s - Mahabharata

Sanju Nath sanjivendra at gmail.com
Sat May 20 13:08:37 EDT 2017

Dear Subrahmanian-ji,

Similar questions come up for me too while reading many threads related to
Shiv and Vishnu and Rama and Krishna and Devi...
Thank you for the straightforward explanation on Ishvara's anugraha
requiring a clear, non-sectarian value/understanding of Ishwara for Advaita


On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 11:37 AM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> 2017-05-20 13:23 GMT+05:30 sreenivasa murthy <narayana145 at yahoo.co.in>:
> > Dear Friends,
> >
> >    In what way  it is going to help/benefit one by knowing whether Rama
> > and Krishna are Jivas or Avatars or gods? Is it the goal of the study of
> > Vedanta / Upanishads?  Is it not a waste of time and energy to go on
> > discussing such fruitless subjects? Instead of such discussions is it not
> > much better to devote and energy to know one's true Atmasvarupa? Please
> > ponder over and think about it.
> >
> Dear Sir,
> The Upanishad says: Ishvarānugrahādeva pumsām advaitavāsanā. Shankara has
> said in the Brahma sutra bhashya: tadanugraha hetukenaiva hi jnānena
> mokṣasiddhir bhavitumarhati.  Thus, in order to attain the knowledge of
> one's true svarupa, one has to have Ishvara's grace. Ishvara's grace can be
> had only by worshiping Him. In order to know who is Ishwara and who is not,
> such a discussion becomes relevant.
> warm regards
> subrahmanian.v
> >
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