[Advaita-l] Fwd: Fwd: A question on PariNAma and vivarta
agnimile at gmail.com
Sat Feb 11 05:09:26 EST 2017
Yes agreed - in fact I think we were all agreeing on 2 and 3.
I wasn't sure you thought 2 below was pariNAma initially which I thought
may have led you to ask the question, but you later clarified it.
Where I changed my view was on 1.
On 11 Feb 2017 1:36 a.m., "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
Venkatraghavanji - PraNAms
Beautiful. This is exactly what I have been stating. Vidyaranaya too says
mRit iti eva satyam - uses the example as vivarta only. In the sloka 8 he
is only referring to parinaama as transformation of one clump to pot. That
is how I have resolved the apparent contradiction in the two slokas 8 and
49 of Ch. 13, since the rest of the discussion of the chapter is based on
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Having thought about it, I have come to three conclusions in this regard -
which is a revision of what I had argued for perviously. I will share with
1) the tAtparya of vAcArambhaNa shruti is also in teaching vivartam (apart
for kAraNa kArya ananyatvam) - the shruti in using 'eva'-kAra, as in
mrittika iti eva satyam, says only the cause is satyam, the effect is not.
If it wanted to include pariNAma too, it would not be appropriate to use
"eva" with respect to mrittikA, because both cause and effect are satyam
for a pariNAma.
2) In the ghaTa drishTAnta, when we are talking about the change in AkAra
from mrit piNDa to ghaTa, that change of AkAra is pariNAma only.
3) When talking of the mrit appearing as ghaTa (ie material), that
transformation is a vivarta - it is only an appearance, and no actual
transformation has taken place. I believe this is what the vAcArambhaNa
shruti is referring to.
vidyAraNya svAmi in 13.8 was referring to (2) above. In 13.46-48, he was
referring to (3).
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the answers, Subbuji. I have a slightly different understanding
> of the below, but I will defer forming a definite view until I study
> further. Thanks for taking the time to explain your position.
> Kind regards,
> On 9 Feb 2017 3:32 p.m., "V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> Thanks for the answers, Subbuji. I have a slightly different
>> understanding of the below, but I will defer forming a definite view
>> I study further. Thanks for taking the time to explain your position.
>> Kind regards,
>> On 9 Feb 2017 3:32 p.m., "V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l" <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
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>> Date: Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 6:23 PM
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