[Advaita-l] Fwd: Fwd: A question on PariNAma and vivarta
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Sat Feb 11 03:10:25 EST 2017
The sruthi says only this:A pot made of clay will have the qualities of the clay.Shape has nothing to do with the clay 's properties .So to know the property of clay it is enough one examines just a pot made of clay and need not go on examining all different vessels made of clay -jar ,plate and so on.Such an approach is wasteful and not required is what sruthi says.Brahman is the material of this universe and one need not go on examining all its manifestations .An examination of even one manifestation is enough to know about Brahman is what the example of clay and pot conveys.
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> On 10-Feb-2017, at 11:16 PM, Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> Namaste Subbuji,
> Having thought about it, I have come to three conclusions in this regard -
> which is a revision of what I had argued for perviously. I will share with
> the group:
> 1) the tAtparya of vAcArambhaNa shruti is also in teaching vivartam (apart
> for kAraNa kArya ananyatvam) - the shruti in using 'eva'-kAra, as in
> mrittika iti eva satyam, says only the cause is satyam, the effect is not.
> If it wanted to include pariNAma too, it would not be appropriate to use
> "eva" with respect to mrittikA, because both cause and effect are satyam
> for a pariNAma.
> 2) In the ghaTa drishTAnta, when we are talking about the change in AkAra
> from mrit piNDa to ghaTa, that change of AkAra is pariNAma only.
> 3) When talking of the mrit appearing as ghaTa (ie material), that
> transformation is a vivarta - it is only an appearance, and no actual
> transformation has taken place. I believe this is what the vAcArambhaNa
> shruti is referring to.
> vidyAraNya svAmi in 13.8 was referring to (2) above. In 13.46-48, he was
> referring to (3).
> Thank you.
> Kind regards,
>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for the answers, Subbuji. I have a slightly different understanding
>> of the below, but I will defer forming a definite view until I study
>> further. Thanks for taking the time to explain your position.
>> Kind regards,
>> On 9 Feb 2017 3:32 p.m., "V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l" <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>> Thanks for the answers, Subbuji. I have a slightly different
>>> understanding of the below, but I will defer forming a definite view until
>>> I study further. Thanks for taking the time to explain your position.
>>> Kind regards,
>>> On 9 Feb 2017 3:32 p.m., "V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l" <
>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 6:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Fwd: A question on PariNAma and vivarta
>>> To: Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
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