[Advaita-l] dRShTi-sRShTi definitions in the advaitasiddhi

H S Chandramouli hschandramouli at gmail.com
Thu Aug 10 11:43:56 EDT 2017

A small doubt. What is the Reality status of jIva? Is it prAtibhAsika or



On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Anand Hudli via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> >  And what is the adhishtAna for the kalpita jneya here??  Is it
> devadatta's antaHkaraNa, if yes, how come devadatta's antaHkaraNa is not
> kalpita and only yajnadatta's antaHkaraNa and its feeling kalpita??  If
> devadatta imagining something in his antaHkaraNa without any objective
> reality outside, how can he imagines things that would bring shOka, dvesha
> etc.  Is this kalpita jagat of devadatta is under his control?? If yes, how
> can he imagines the jagat which is not comfortable to him (hita-akaraNa
> srushti) ??
> Shri Bhaskarji,
> Two observations after reading your message. First, we should not, in
> general, mix concepts from one prakriyA into another, and as an example
> Madhusudana cites the pratikarmavyavasthA and says it is not applicable in
> DSV. Each prakriyA is complete in itself and should be studied
> independently, at least before comparing it with others. Second, as the
> definitions suggest, all objects are primarily of the character of Bhrama,
> Illusion. This being the case, the draShTA does not have complete control
> of what he is seeing even though it is his dRShTi that creates the sRShTi,
> since the objects are all doShaprayukta, as in a dream. No dreamer has
> control over the entire content of his dream, although he may feel he has
> some control on his actions in the dream. Who has control then? It could be
> Ishvara, who is also posited in the dream by the draShTA! It is in this
> sense it is called jIva-sRShTi. It does not mean that the jIva controls his
> sRShTi instead of Ishvara. As far as I understand, Ishvara is very much
> needed to explain why laws of Karma hold, for example, who upholds Dharma,
> etc. It is only that Ishvara Himself is part of the jIva's dream.
> Anand
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Anand Hudli <anandhudli at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I intend to address some of these topics as part of the discussion on DSV
> > as found in the advaitasiddhi.
> >
> > Anand
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 2:37 PM, H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >> A little elaboration of the consequences of admitting only prAtibhasika
> in
> >> DSV would perhaps be in order. There is no kArya-kAraNa sambandha, no
> >> indriya janya jnAna, no pramANAs, no epistemology admitted in DSV. Hence
> >> in
> >> case of milk transforming to curds, it is not a transformation at all.
> >> Milk
> >> does not get transformed to curds. What appeared as milk earlier, later
> >> appears as curds. Just as in a dream. So with other events also. A pot
> is
> >> not seen through the eyes. Pot and its jnAna appear simultaneously.
> >>
> >
> >
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