[Advaita-l] Ramana Maharshi - Advaitin or Neo Advaitin?

Kripa Shankar kripa.shankar.0294 at gmail.com
Sun Sep 25 06:47:45 CDT 2016


Some great points of grave import presented by SrimaLalitalalitah. Praveen, like many others are trying to defend Ramana as if it's an assault on Ramana s character, which clearly is not(it's also irrelevant) . But I am baffled to see that when Shruti pramana is neglected, in other words when the Shruti is under assault, no one takes offence! 
Just wanted to add one more point. I was watching a video of Bharati teertha swami delivering a lecture in Tamil. There he categorically stated that Sringeri Mutt never acknowledges anyone outside of the Mutt but a pramada (an exception) to this rule was when one of the great swamis (can't recall the name sorry) acknowledged Sadashiva Brahmendra. It is on YouTube. 

Vyasaya Vishnu roopaya Vyasa roopaya Vishnave 
Namo vai Brahma nidhaye Vasishtaya namo namaha 
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From: Praveen R. Bhat via Advaita-l
Sent: Sunday 25 September 2016 3:03 PM
To: श्रीमल्ललितालालितः
Reply To: Praveen R. Bhat
Cc: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Ramana Maharshi - Advaitin or Neo Advaitin?

Namaste Swamiji,

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 1:15 PM, श्रीमल्ललितालालितः <
lalitaalaalitah at lalitaalaalitah.com> wrote:

> Even for most of participants here, the pramANatva of shruti is either
> unclear or useless. In that case, it is easy to say that they are believers
> of advaita, not seekers.

Agreed. Shruti has to be the only pramANa for aikya, since it cannot be
known through any other means.

"After hearing the Self to be the Brahman the person finds the true import
of the Self and reverts to it whenever he is diverted from it. Here is the
*WHOLE PROCESS* of Realization."

> This doesn't convince me about his understanding. It just gives credit to
> shrautaikyaGYAna for making understand importance of AtmA(whatever that
> means) to remember self whenever one is distracted. This is not the use of
> aikyaGYAna or shruti. Moreover, what is this turning to self? Why is it
> needed? - We must think about that.

The sentence does not say "importance of AtmA", but *import*, which means
what it really is, which is brahman. Then "reverts to it" would mean revert
to the lakShyArtha of self being brahman as learnt from Shruti. That would
be gaining niShThA..

> I don't think Ramana Maharshi said that that was his sAdhana. He said that
> it was spontaneous as a child and he just analyzed this experience. So it
> is more closer to unknown first, even before vichAra.

I've read that the death-like experience caused him to understand self
apart from body. And that is what he clearly said and supported.
This type of experience is evident in even new sAdhaka-s who experience in
meditation that the japa and other vR^itti-s are coming and going and he is
watching. This is tvampadArthashodhanam. Same is case of ramaNa.
Rest parts, as aikyam and mithyAtva of prapa~ncha, can't be known by such

> Praveen, I know that there are occurrence where he mentions brahma and
> negates bheda, but was that based on shruti(which must be known as pramANa)
> or was just added later because someone told him that he is talking similar
> to upaniShad-s. We have to decide that he understood that part. Mere
> repetition to confirm to shruti is not enough.

I don't have such a doubt since this can be raised about anyone in the
sampradAya itself and I do not know how this would ever be proven.

> I'm not against good qualities. The problem is that there are things which
> can't be known on their own, they need shruti. For that portion, I've to
> decide whether he knew that shruti is pramANa. Once it is clear, there will
> be no problem to increase the probability of him being brahmaGYAnI.

I understand your point of view. Thanks.

Kind rgds,
--Praveen R. Bhat
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