[Advaita-l] sushupati anubhava of jnAni and ajnAni

[kuntimaddi sadananda]

Sreenivasa Murthyji - PraNAms

The point is  first this discussion does not give the impression that one is not realized and only one who has realized know that I am realized and he is not going to declare since 1. others cannot know if he has realized or not 2. from others point, it is only faith that other person has realized or not. 

Second all these discussions will only help to have a clear understanding of the nature of the truth. For a realized person this all become vibhuuti only. One appreciate the beauty of the creation knowing very well it is mithyaa is part of the realization too - as jagat mithyaa as one cannot but transact with the world as long as BMI is there. 

Life itself becomes a wonder if one appreciates every aspect of Life since Lord pervades everything - Vishnu sahasra naamaavali starts with very first word with the world - Vishvam and the next word is VishnuH - vyaapakatvaat - One who pervades everything - that includes the waking dream and deep sleep worlds! 

With this I stop.

Hari Om!
Sadananda





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On Sun, 1/17/16, sreenivasa murthy via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] sushupati anubhava of jnAni and ajnAni
 To: "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>, "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 Date: Sunday, January 17, 2016, 11:39 AM
 
 From: H.N.Sreenivasa
 MurthyPranms to all.
 Dear Sri
 Sadanandaji,
       The whole essence of
 my friend's discussion with me was to point out the
 necessity of the student of Vedanta devoting to to Atmajnana
 / Brahmajnana / SvarUpajnana ad not to indulge in
 discussions on subject going on in the name of Vedanta which
 are not conducive to reach his guri  . The present
 disussions on the subject of Sushupti anubhava of a Jnani
 and Ajnani. In the course of his talk with me he quoted the
 mantra 2-2-5 of Mundaka Upanishad where in a very pointed
 manner says : 
              
 tamEvaikaM jAnatha
 AtmAnam                      anyA vAcO
 vimuMcathAmRutasyaiSha sEtuH ||
 In the light
 of the above advice of mother Sruti, the discussions that
 are going on  the  subject of Sushupti anubhava of a Jnani
 and Ajnani come under the category of anyAvAcaH || .
 Secondly in what  way the Sushupti anubhava of a Jnani and
 Ajnani is going to assist / help a student / mumukshu in his
 quest of Atmajnana ?  My only request to all is that they
 ponder over these points with an open mind.
 
 With respectful
 namaskarams,Sreenivasa Murthy
  
 
  
 
       From: kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
  To:
 A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>;
 sreenivasa murthy <narayana145 at yahoo.co.in>
 
  Sent: Sunday, 17 January 2016 4:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] sushupati anubhava of
 jnAni and ajnAni
    
 Sreenivasa murthyji - PraNAms
 
 Just one question to your
 friend and perhaps to you to since you seem to endorse his
 opinion. How can one distinguishes, based on the reading
 here, whether one is realized or not? Does he have a litmus
 test to do that?  On that basis no one can ask any
 questions on Vedanta in this form since blind leading the
 blind is applicable for all. 
 
 Someone went to Swami Tejomayanandaji and asked
 - Swamiji, have you met anyone so far who has realized?
 Swamiji said, jokiningly, that by that very question, the
 questioner has already resolved that Swamij has not realized
 and now wants to know who else has realized. There are no
 holos that will be developed after realization.  
 
 Based on the answers, one can
 only say if one has knowledge of shastras to back up his
 understanding. 
 
 So far I
 have not discovered any scriptural discrepancies in any
 answers that were provided by the discussers.  One may have
 a clearer understanding or one can quote the scriptures more
 thoroughly or have patience to do so. What is needed is
 clear understanding of the essence of Advaita vedanta -
 Brahma sathyam, jagan mithyaa, jeevo brahma eva na aparaH.
 The rest is only avanata vaakyaas in support these
 fundamental truths. 
 
 Hari
 Om!
 
 Sadananda
 
 
 
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 On Sun, 1/17/16, sreenivasa murthy via
 Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re:
 [Advaita-l] sushupati anubhava of jnAni and ajnAni
  To: "H S Chandramouli" <hschandramouli at gmail.com>,
 "Praveen R. Bhat" <bhatpraveen at gmail.com>,
 "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>,
 "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
  Date: Sunday, January 17, 2016, 1:52 AM
  
  H.N.Sreenivasa
  MurthyPranam to all.
  A friend
 of mine who is
  well versed in Shankara
 Vedanta,  who had gone through all
  the
 postings on the above subject told me thus recently :
  " Is it not much better and more
 beneficial if one
  attains jnana first and
 then afterwards  to discuss the
 
 'Sushupti anubhava of Jnani and Ajnani'  and
 come
  to an authentic conclusion ? Iis it
 not futile to discuss as
  Secondhand persons
 who have gathered information from books
 
 instead of discussing as Firsthand persons ?  All these
  discussions done by others other than the one
 who has
  cognized what he is teaching /
 conveying  will it be not
  like  blind
 leading the blind as stated in the
 
 mantra1-2-8of Mundakopanishad". I saw an element of
  TRUTH in what he told. What do the respected
 members feel
  about this?
 
 With warm and respectful
  regards,Sreenivasa
 Murthy.
  
  
 
 
  
        From: H S
  Chandramouli via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
   To: Praveen R. Bhat <bhatpraveen at gmail.com>;
  A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
  
   Sent: Saturday, 16 January
 2016 8:43 PM
   Subject: Re: [Advaita-l]
 sushupati anubhava of
  jnAni and ajnAni
     
  Sri Praveen Ji,
  
  Reg  << Not the
 rope-snake, but here
  your very example of
 desert water
  works
 
 well.
  Having known that the water is
 nothing
  but its adhiShThAna desert sand,
 one
  doesn't stop seeing it as water,
 because
  the refraction superimposing
 water
  on the
  desert sand
 continues. Yet, one doesn't take it to be
  real water. >>
  
  and 
  << Only for
 vikShepa itself to be taken as real,
 
 AvaraNa is necessary
  .>>,
  
  Would it not be more
  appropriate to state that what was
  निरुपाधिक
 भ्रान्ति
  (nirupAdhika
 bhrAnti ) prior to Jnana becomes
 
 सोपाधिक भ्रान्ति (sopAdhika
  bhrAnti ) after attainment of Jnana ?? The
  corresponding illustration would
  be that of
  moonlight and the
 moon itself.  भ्रान्ति
 
 (bhrAnti ) continues as
  long as the
  उपाधि (upAdhi)  lasts, but its
 reality does
  not.
  
  Just a thought.
  
  Regards
  
  On
 Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Praveen R.
 
 Bhat via Advaita-l <
  advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
  wrote:
  
  >
 Namaste
  Rajeshji,
  >
  >
  > On Sat, Jan 16,
 2016 at 9:41 AM, Rajesh
  Benjwal via
 Advaita-l <
  > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
  wrote:
  >
 
 > > There
  is only vikShepa, not
 AvaraNa. So the world is seen, but not
 
 as
  > > different from brahman,
 since
  the true nature has been revealed
 once and
  > > for all.
  > >
  >>>>
  > >
  > > So there
 is a possibility of vikshepa
  without
 avaraNa. Any pramanam,
  > >
  dristAntam  for that, I would like to know
 any reference,
  it would be
 
 > > helpful.
  > >
  >
  > Not the rope-snake,
 but here your very
  example of desert water
 works well.
  >
  Having
 known that the water is nothing but its adhiShThAna
  desert sand, one
  >
 doesn't stop
  seeing it as water,
 because the refraction superimposing
 
 water
  > on the desert sand continues.
  Yet, one doesn't take it to be real
 water.
  >
  >
  >
  > Basically you are
 saying if we know there is sand then
  even
 if we are
  > > seeing water there
  then that is only vikshepam and no avaraNa is
 there,
  > > right? looks perfect and
 it also
  leads to conclusion that for
 vikshepa to
  > > work avaraNa is not
 necessary.
  > >
  >
 >
  > Only for vikShepa itself to be
 taken as
  real, AvaraNa is necessary. The
  > jnAni
  perceives vikShepa
 as mithyA, superimposed on his own
 
 svarUpa.
  >
  > Kind
  rgds,
  > --Praveen R.
 Bhat
  > /* Through what should one know
 That owing
  to which all this is known!
  > [Br.Up.
  4.5.15] */
  >
 
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