[Advaita-l] Dvaita Vaada - Vadiraja Teertha's Nyayaratnavali Slokas 77-81 Mulavidya and Tulavidya
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Fri Jun 12 08:16:13 CDT 2015
>>>Advaitis have tried two times to explain Pot Illusion. First they say
it is superimposed on Witness Consciousness. It is not correct because
external thing cannot be superimposed on internal consciousness.
All talk of external and internal is itself an avidya.
There is no distinction between external consciousness and internal
consciousness - all consciousness is brahman. There is also no distinction
of external thing and internal thing - all "things", with the exception of
brahman, are mithya.
All illusions can have only one adhisthanam - Brahman. So whether you talk
about the adhyAsa of mind on Brahman, or the adhyAsa of pot on Brahman, the
*nature* of the adhyAsa is the same (even though the Aropita vastu is
different), and very importantly, the *identity* of the adhishthAnam is the
same - Brahman.
Brahman and avidya can and do co-exist. No harm comes to advaita by making
that statement - but it should be understood that avidya's existence is
only a borrowed one. It has no paramArtha sattA.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:12 AM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > Namaste
> > Advaiti response -
> > Therefore the Pot Illusion is not destroyed before मूलाविद्या नाश
> > happens. This answer may not be appealing to Holenarsipur Swami's
> > followers. They do not believe in मूलाविद्या and तूलाविद्या. They can
> > give a different answer to the Dvaitis if interested.
> Every jiva requires two types of jnāna - vyavahāra jnāna and svarūpa jnāna.
> The pramāṇas like pratyakṣa, anumāna and śabda are required for obtaining
> both the above types of jnāna. By securing vyavahara jnāna (to dispel
> ajnana about vyavahara/vyavahara objects, disciplines like physics, maths,
> vyākarana and even vedānta) vyavahāra viṣayaka ajnāna is dispelled. By
> securing svarupa jnāna, the appropriate means and method of applying the
> pramanas, the svarupaviṣayaka ajnāna is dispelled.
> vyavahāra jnānena vyavahārasiddhiḥ, svarūpa jnānena mokṣasiddhiḥ.
> Thereby without employing the terms mūla and tūla avidyā we can explain the
> > Commentary - Vaadiraaja runs up to the batsman saying 'The next ball
> > will make your wife a widow'. He bowls a bouncer sharply rising from
> > the pitch and in line with the batsman's body. But the batsman quickly
> > moves out of the way and hooks it over deep fine leg for another six.
> > --
> > Regards
> > -Venkatesh
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