[Advaita-l] Which one is first in the creation sequence
vmurthy36 at gmail.com
Thu Feb 27 00:11:11 CST 2014
Karika 2-16 is also saying Jeeva is imagined first and then all other
objective and subjective things. Jeeva is first imagined in Atma. This
Jeeva will then imagine the things of the whole world. We can say there is
a sequence because Jeeva is imagined first.
But after Jeeva is imagined he will imagine the whole universe. The second
imagination of Jeeva is simultaneous. He will not imagine one thing at a
time but all things at once. The whole universe is an imagination of Jeeva.
The Varnas, Rishis, animals, non living things, and even Ishwara is
imagined by him.
Imagination has infinite speed. If you travel at speed of light you will
reach nearest star in 4 years. But if you imagine you are there
immediately. Infinite speed. Like this the whole creation will happen with
infinite speed because it is imagined only.
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:53 AM, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com
> Dear Sri Venkatashamurthyji,
> You wrote << Creation in Drishti Srishti Vada is simultaneous. Because
> when That One saw
> > at that same time simultaneously ALL Creation happened. The Four Varnas
> > Rishis, animals, all the worlds and the whole creation happened
> > and simultaneously.>>
> Can you please clarify where exactly this has been stated in shruti/bhashya
> ? Prima facie it appears to me to be in contradiction to Karika 2-16 (
> vaitathya prakarana, verse 16 ). I would be grateful if the verse itself
> can be elaborated upon.
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:03 AM, ramesh badisa <badisa66 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Namaskaram.
> > At the beginning of email, I would like to seek your forgiveness for
> > raising a silly question. I could not figure out the answer for myself.
> > I am requesting all members to help me.
> > My confusion was related to two Bhagawad Gita slokas -
> > 4/13 (chatur varnyam ...) &
> > 10/6 (Maharsayah Sapta ..).
> > The first sloka talks about four varnas. So, it is obvious that it is
> > concerned to the creation;
> > The second sloka talks about creation of seven great sages by the Lord.
> > This is also concerned to the creation.
> > My confusion was that which one stands first in the creation.
> > If you say, "it doesn't matter", then, sorry the matter ends there.
> > However, if you would like to help me, please read further.
> > Is it 4/13 first or 10/6 first
> > When there is no creation, then, there are no varnas.
> > Similarly, when seven great sages were born, there are no four varnas but
> > only one varna - the first varna.
> > For me, it appears that the classification of varnas by Lord came much
> > later after the creation. Please correct me if I am wrong.
> > Namaskaram,
> > ramesh
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