[Advaita-l] Which one is first in the creation sequence
vmurthy36 at gmail.com
Wed Feb 26 20:59:31 CST 2014
Time also is God's creation. Time is not there before creation. We cannot
ask a question regarding time sequence of creation. It may not have any
'Inasmuch as time also is something that has been created, the creation
itself could not have taken place in time itself. Space and time, which are
also the evolutes of consciousness and which manifested from the Atman,
could not be regarded as a condition of creation itself. The idea of time
is involved in any statement like: "God created the world in ancient times.
Many, many years back, centuries back, millions of years back, as it were,
this world was created by God." When we say this, we imply that God created
the world sometime. The word 'sometime' means time, but God is not in time.
He is timeless, so we cannot think how creation actually took place.'
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <
svidyasankar at hotmail.com> wrote:
> One way to think about it is to take away the element of the arrow of time
> this altogether, taking cue from the verse avyaktAdIni bhUtAni
> Everything that exists in the universe today already existed in an
> potential form at the moment the universe came into being. That is, if you
> creation as an event. The other option is to view creation as not an event
> at all,
> as already pointed out by others.
> To really grasp what these verses are teaching us, we need to step out of
> current conditioning to view such things as events in a linear historical
> It doesn't help to understand the vaidika traditions at all, if we think
> of the Rshis
> as people who existed at some definite historical time, the varNa
> divisions as
> something that started in another specific historical era, etc.
> Best regards,
> > Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:33:21 -0800
> > From: badisa66 at yahoo.com
> > To: advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> > Subject: [Advaita-l] Which one is first in the creation sequence
> > Namaskaram.
> > At the beginning of email, I would like to seek your forgiveness for
> raising a silly question. I could not figure out the answer for myself. So,
> I am requesting all members to help me.
> > My confusion was related to two Bhagawad Gita slokas -
> > 4/13 (chatur varnyam ...) &
> > 10/6 (Maharsayah Sapta ..).
> > The first sloka talks about four varnas. So, it is obvious that it is
> concerned to the creation;
> > The second sloka talks about creation of seven great sages by the Lord.
> This is also concerned to the creation.
> > My confusion was that which one stands first in the creation.
> > If you say, "it doesn't matter", then, sorry the matter ends there.
> > However, if you would like to help me, please read further.
> > Is it 4/13 first or 10/6 first
> > When there is no creation, then, there are no varnas.
> > Similarly, when seven great sages were born, there are no four varnas
> but only one varna - the first varna.
> > For me, it appears that the classification of varnas by Lord came much
> later after the creation. Please correct me if I am wrong.
> > Namaskaram,
> > ramesh
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