[Advaita-l] Maya and Sunrise Example

[kuntimaddi sadananda]

Chandramouliji - PraNAms

Yes you are right.

 What I meant is there is the errors of perception in at vyaavahaarika level or objective errors in objective perception in contrast to the subjective errors of the objective perception - since everybody sees the sunrise and sunset, red crystal and even mirage waters due to phenomena which are not at individual level - what I meant are they are vyaavahaarika adhyaasa - or more correctly the sa upaadhika adhyaasa. where the subjective errors like snake rope - is at the individual mental projections. Everybody transacts with the sunrise and sunset. Yet it is an adhyaasa - that is what Shree Krishnamoorthyji trying to point out too. 

Ultimately the reality what we give to the  apparent Iswara creation - yushmad ashmad pratyaya gocharayOH .. as Shankara starts his adhyaasa bhashya - The differences of sajaati- vijaati-swagata bhedAs - they are all adhyaasa at vyaavahaarika level only. 

The knowledge of the truth does not remove the appearances in the vyaavhaarika level - thus distinguishing the Iswara sRiShTi vs Jiiva sRiShTi. As long this point is clear the difference between two types of adhyaasa are clear.

Hari Om!
Sadananda

 


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On Mon, 2/3/14, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Maya and Sunrise Example
 To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 Date: Monday, February 3, 2014, 3:58 AM
 
 HS Chandramouli
 
 Dear Sri Kuntimaddi,
 
 You wrote
 
 <<  The sunrise and sunset, mirage waters, the
 crystal look red in the
 vicinity of red flower, etc belong the first kind. >>
 
 You have classified these as vyavaharika satya. Mirage water
 for example
 does not quench our thirst. All these are pratibhasika only
 I thought.
 Kindly clarify.
 
 Regards
 
 
 On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 7:18 AM, kuntimaddi sadananda <
 kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
 wrote:
 
 > ---------------------------------
 > On Sun, 2/2/14, Srirudra <srirudra at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 >
 >  Mirage water is no water.It is an illusion.But
 sunrise or
 >  sunset are real in the sense that they are true
 phenomenon.I
 >  think adhyaasa is applicable to Mirage water or
 necre in a
 >  shell .But in sun rise there is no error in
 perception. Sun
 >  does rise if the motion of earth's rotation is
 transferred
 >  to sun as we work in relative velocity
 >  problems.R.Krishnamoorthy.
 >
 >
 > ------------------------
 > Shree Krishnamoorthy - PraNAms
 >
 > You have just explained the mechanics of the process in
 terms of  how they
 > differ.
 >
 > From advaita point there are two types of errors and
 one type is at the
 > level of vyaavahaarika and the other at the level of
 praatibhaasika. These
 > are also stated as sopaadhika adhyaasa and nirupaadhika
 adhyaasa
 >
 > The sunrise and sunset, mirage waters, the crystal look
 red in the
 > vicinity of red flower, etc belong the first kind.
 >
 > Rope snake, post-ghost etc belong to the second kind.
 >
 > Similarly we have Iswara sRiShti and jiiva sRiShTi. The
 first type of
 > errors belong the Iswara sRiShTi and the second type
 belongs to the Jiiva
 > sRiShTi.
 >
 > Once I know it is rope and not the sanke I thought it
 was or once I have
 > the knowledge of the adhiShTaanam, then I do not see
 anymore the snake or
 > subjective projections. The snake is on that rope is
 gone permanently from
 > my mind. Hence once I have realized the absolute truth
 is I am, then there
 > is no jiiva sRiShTi. That means individual values
 projected due to raaga
 > and dweshas are gone and there is no samsaara for the
 jnaani. I see the
 > world as it is not what I think it is. It is there
 therefore I see it; and
 > not I see it therefore it is there.
 >
 > Even after I know there is no real waters in the mirage
 water or there is
 > no real sunrise or sunset or the crystal is not really
 red but only
 > apparently red, the appearances will continue. I
 continue to see the mirage
 > water even though I know there are no waters, I
 continue to see sunrise and
 > sunset even though shastras say that there is sunrise
 or sunset and I
 > continue to see the crystal red even though it is
 crystal clear to me that
 > the crystal is clear.
 >
 > That means Jnaani will still the Iswara sRiShTi but
 does not see the Jiiva
 > sRiShTi. Jiiva sRiShTi causes samsaara and that
 samsaara is gone for
 > jnaani. Iswara sRiShTi is now understood as mithyaa or
 projection of the
 > totality and there is no reality in it other than the
 substratum. Hence a
 > Jnaani will look at the world as Iswara vibhuuti or
 correctly my own
 > vibhuuti since Iswara-jiiva bhinnatvam is also
 understood as mithyaa
 > only.This aspect is discussed in Pachadashi, I think
 ch. 4 in terms of
 > jiiva sRiShTi and Iswara sRiShti.
 >
 > Hope this helps
 >
 > Hari Om!
 > Sadananda
 >
 > .
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