[Advaita-l] Eka jiva vada and nana jiva vada.
kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com
Thu May 9 12:36:10 CDT 2013
Shree Venkatesh -PraNAms. Just for some clarification since you are referring to my words.
What I said is if you create an object it is jiiva's creation, using of course the components from the memory which is stored from the past experiences. That is praatibhaasika - this includes the snake on the rope. Knowledge of the adhiShTaanam eliminates the projection.
If you see the Iswara's creation as part of the table etc which is vyavahaarika satyam. It is assembled using the panca bhuutas that are created by Iswara only. That is the rope itself. It also includes the mirajwaters, sunrise and sunset, crystal appearing as red due to proximity of red flower, etc. Knowledge of the fact does not eliminate the appearences. This includes the knowledge of the Brahman also - the appearence of the Iswara sRiShTi continues.
Everything is self-consistent.
Both are mithyaa since they are experienced - It is, therefore I see it - mostly vyaavahaarika; vs I see it, therefore it is - mostly praatibhaasika.
Please note bhrama is different from Brahman. bhramaa is false knowledge in contrast to pramaa, valid knowledge - Pramaa is gained by pramaaNa and it is well defined. See Vedanta Paribhaasha analysis in my website.
Any experience is mithyaa, by definition - since it is experienced.
The definitions are precise.
> From: Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
>To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:54 PM
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>Sri Sadananda has said if you imagine hare's horns it is Mithya for you
>like the seen objects. Then hare's horns and seen objects like table are
>Mithya. But Brahma is everything. The Mithya things also have Brahma Adhara
>only. The Mithya things are also Brahma only.
>Adi Sankara has said in Mundaka 2 - 2 -11 - Brahmaivedam Jagat Samastamidam
>Jagad Varishtham Varatamam. Abrahma Pratyayaha Sarvopyavidyamatraha
>Rajjvamiva Sarpa Pratyayaha. Brahmaivaikam Satyamiti Vedanushasanam.
>If you think of any Abrahma 'Not Brahma' thing it is Avidya only like a
>Snake in Rope. That Abrahma thing is not there any where in the Universe.
>If you think of hare's horns it is Brahma only. If you are seeing a table
>it is Brahma only. If you are seeing Snake in a Rope the Snake is Brahma
>and Rope is also Brahma.
>On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:
>> Brahma is Sat and Brahma is everything. Everything is Sat. Where is
>> Where is Asat? Everything is Sat only. If I say hare's horns it is Sat. If
>> I say Rajju Sarpa it is Sat only. Why? Because all words are expressing
>> Brahma only. If you use any word that word is Brahma and Sat only.
>> Hare Krishna
>> I think you are applying the siddhAnta at the wrong place!! The tattva
>> that says brahmaikatva or all pervasiveness (sarva vyApakatva) does not
>> there to prove that sarpa which is wrongly perceived in rajju is also
>> BTW, if everything is satya as per your above statement, on what basis, on
>> all these days you were arguing that both waking and dream state
>> cognition and experiences are mithyA?? By the way I hope you have checked
>> yourself those bhAshya quotes (tattvAnyatva) and convinced that there is
>> something available in shankara bhAshya to that line of thinking.
>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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