[Advaita-l] Eternal Loka

Rajaram Venkataramani rajaramvenk at gmail.com
Sat Jul 20 01:34:23 CDT 2013

Namaskarams. I'm not talking about advaita mukti. My question is if kailasa
and vaikuntha are admitted as non-eternal, then that position is in direct
contrast to what sastras say. Is it not? Also, we have seen that there are
eternal entities in vyavahara even in advaita - e.g. time, sanatana dharma,
ishwara, maya, the forms of avataras etc. In fact, all names and forms must
be admitted as eternal as Ishwara's jnAnA in advaita also.

On Saturday, July 20, 2013, V Subrahmanian wrote:

> I think we have talked about this before too.  Sri Sada ji has given the
> Advaitic perspective.  To reiterate, there is no eternal loka such as
> Vaikuntha, accepted in vyAvahArika in Advaita.  Sri Appayya Dikshitar
> pointed out that an upAsaka of that deity would find himself in that loka
> before krama mukta culminates in the absolute Advaitic mukti.  To clarify,
> what is called brahmaloka is 'seen'/'experienced' as shiva/vishnu loka by
> that particular upAsaka.  In any case it is only in the vyavaharika and
> that upasaka will attain the absolute advaitic moksha only by going beyond
> that shiva/vishnu loka.
> The fundamental understanding required is: if there is duality there is no
> Vedantic mukti.
> regards
> subrahmanian.v
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:21 AM, <rajaramvenk at gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'rajaramvenk at gmail.com');>
> > wrote:
>> Namaskarams. If Vaikuntha and Kailasa are not bautika, then what are they
>> made of? Also, if they are not in vyavahara realm, how is vyavaharam
>> possible in these lokas? My original question was whether vaikuntha and
>> kailasa are eternal lokas in vyavahara realm but from what you say they
>> seem to be paramarthika as per advaita though different to advaita siddhi.
>> Is that a correct understanding of your view? If so, how can that be true
>> as only advaita siddhi is paramarthika?
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

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