[Advaita-l] Desire, Jnana and Moksha
sridhar.nithin at gmail.com
Thu Dec 5 09:37:38 CST 2013
Namaste Venkatesh Murthy,
The answer to your Q is answered by Sureshwaracharya in Naishkarmya Siddhi.
He explains with an example, just as a tree after being uprooted, died and
decays in few days, similarly, a Jnani even after attaining Jnana stays in
the body until prarabdha that resulted in the body is left. This is called
as Avidya Lesha. But, the traces of Avidya is not same as Avidya. A
Jivan-Mukta is not bound by it in the sense that his actions are not
binding. His body-mind complexes acts according to prarabdha till its
cessations occurs. A Jnani named Apantaratamas (hope spelling is right)
took birth again as Veda Vyasa so as to fulfill his purpose of dividing
vedas, composing puranas, writing Brahma-Sutras etc.
Whether, there is one more birth for a Jnani or not depends on prarabdha
that is left and the purposes he is entrusted with by Ishwara.And once, the
prarabdha ends, as you have correctly stated, he would attain Videka Mukti.
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>wrote:
> Namaste Yativara
> Thank you for patiently answering the questions. The answers are still
> confusing. But is this explanation better? In a Jivanmukta also there is
> Avidya Lesha. A small quantity of Avidya is still remaining. The Avidya
> Lesha is causing all the desires and making him to act like a Baddha
> sometimes. But he knows he is not a Baddha but a Mukta.
> But there will be further question. When he dies the Avidya Lesha will
> cause one more birth for him or not? In that birth he has to again gain
> Jnana or he will remember the Jnana of this birth? The Avidya Lesha in that
> birth must be less than Avidya Lesha in this birth? Because if Avidya Lesha
> is not decreasing he will have to take birth again and again like us
> ordinary people. If it is decreasing in every birth after some births it
> will vanish totally and he can become Videha Mukta.
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:08 PM, श्रीमल्ललितालालितः <
> lalitaalaalitah at lalitaalaalitah.com> wrote:
> > Venkatesh Ji,
> > Actually I think that I've already answered the question. So, I expect
> > others to explain it to you.
> > However, I will like to examine your questions here and will repeat same
> > things in another way.
> > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > > Because, *GYAna *is not opposed to desire.
> > > >
> > > But Jnana is opposed to Ajnana and Tatkaarya also.
> > >
> > Here you have to understand that whenever we talk about cause-effect
> > relationship, it is direct in nature. That is *GYAna *is directly opposed
> > to *aGYAna *only.
> > '*Destruction of effects of aGYAna*' is effect of '*destruction of
> > aGYAna*',
> > not of *GYAna*.
> > So, the statement made by me stands correct,i.e. *GYAna *is not opposed
> > desire. You may add 'directly' for your understanding.
> > > Ajnana is the Mula
> > > Avidya. The Jagat, Manas, and desires also are Kaarya of Mula Ajnana.
> > WHEN
> > > the Mula Avidya is removed by Jnana there is no Kaarya also.
> > >
> > Correct.
> > But, such removal of *aGYAna *doesn't happen in *jIvanmukta*(a *living
> > GYAnI*), is to be noted.
> > The removal of *aGYAna *which occurs in a *living GYAnI *is such that it
> > gives space to body, mind, desire, all.
> > If you know
> > > Sukti Rajata is false will you have desire to get silver and become
> > > and build houses?
> > >
> > Why not ?
> > If *shukti-rajata* is known false, in what way it is supposed to obstruct
> > my desire to be rich and build house ?
> > It just obstructs my exercise to get silver from front.
> > > When you know rope is not snake will you have fear in
> > > approaching it?
> > >
> > Correct. I may not have fear, but trembling may remain for some time and
> > hesitation too..
> > I mean, as you are showing an effect of *aGYAna *eradicated, so I'm
> > another effect still existing there. So, you are not able to make any
> > that every effect of *aGYAna *will go simultaneously.
> > Again note that eradication of fear is caused by eradication of
> > not by knowledge.
> > > When you Know the mirage water is false will you have
> > > desire to drink it?
> > >
> > No.
> > But, as I said before - this is the case of
> > total eradication of *aGYAna *and it's effects , which doesn't match the
> > case of *jIvanmukta*.
> > And, remember that desire is quality of mind or *jIva, *not of *sAxI
> > *or *suddha-tvam-padArtha
> > *which is one with *brahman.* So, if desire is there in mind which is
> > different from me, what is the problem ? Again desire is not real is
> > understood by me, so where is the problem ?
> > > Thirst may be there but it is natural body function.
> > > Not desire. Desire is because of Ajnana.
> > >
> > Why not desire for water would stay if I'm thirsty ? Do you know that
> > 'desire for water' is another word for 'thirst' ?
> > Actually, you and rAjArAma, both have to be careful in making sentences
> > with appropriate and enough words so that it doesn't give us chance to
> > question your questions and understanding. And, the same way may cause
> > confusion for others.
> > *श्रीमल्ललितालालितः *www.lalitaalaalitah.com
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