[Advaita-l] Eka jiva vada and nana jiva vada.

Venkatesh Murthy vmurthy36 at gmail.com
Sat Apr 27 08:25:50 CDT 2013


You are saying - The waking state objects can be said to be unreal only
from the "Turiya"state.

I am saying - We can say waking state objects are unreal from the DREAM
state. We can say Dream objects are unreal from WAKING state.

A person will enter into dream world and think dream objects are real in
that dream. A person will enter into waking world and think waking objects
are real. Both are making a mistake. Both type objects are unreal only.

When you dream the waking objects are not there. When you are awake the
dream objects are not there. Logic is saying BOTH are equally false.
Gaudapada and Adi Sankara are saying this.

On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Srikanta Narayanaswami <
srikanta.narayanaswami at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Namaste Srikanta Sir
> You are misunderstanding GK VP 7 and 8. The Purva Pakshi is saying in  7
> there is a Prayojana of objects in waking. But Adi Sankara Bhashya on that
> is saying 'Yasmadya Saprayojanta Drusta Annapanadinam Sa Svapne
> Vipratipadyate'. The utility of waking objects is contradicted in dreams.
> 'Ato Manyamahe Teshamapyasattvam Svapnadrushyavad Anashankaniyam Iti' There
> is no doubt the waking objects are also unreal like dream objects.
> The Purva Pakshi is now bringing one more objection.  He is saying in dream
> there are some Apurva objects in dream like four tusk elephant and eight
> arms body. The Apurva object is a special object but not seen in waking.
> But Adi Sankara is saying the Apurva is only Sthani Dharma.The Apurva is
> because of dream quality. But this Sthani Dharma is also Mithya only. It is
> not real.He is making one statement. 'Tasmad Yatha Stanidharmanam Rajju
> Sarpa Mruga Trushnikadinam Asattvam Tatha Svapnadrushyanam Api Apurvanam
> Sthanidharmatvam Eva Iti Asattvam.
> Adi Sankara is saying Sthani Dharma is false like a Rajju Sarpa rope snake
> and mirage. The Apurva dream object is also false because it is from Sthani
> Dharma.
> Your two points are Saprayojanata in waking and Sthani Dharma. But both of
> these things are false only. Finally there is no difference between waking
> and dream.
> If a rich man has all desired objects he may not have a good dream at
> night. He may have bad dreams. Why? Because the utility of his waking
> objects is not there in the dream. They cannot help him. He may have 1000
> security guards. But if he is attacked in dream by armed robber the
> security guards cannot save him. This is showing the utility of waking
> objects is nothing. It is false.
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> Dear Sri Venkatesha Murthy,
> The waking state objects are real,because they are used for some practical
> purpose.The dream objects are unreal like those of the waking state
> objects.The comparison between the two is based on "Nyaya"logic,like
> syllogism.The waking state objects can be said to be unreal only from the
> "Turiya"state.From common daily experience they are real.The only point
> that is brought here by Gaudapada is that the waking state objects are
> unreal because they are seen,and they are mutually contradicted in the
> dream state.Other wise,they are real and used for some practical
> purpose.The "sthani dharma"in the two states also differ.The waking state
> has the "Vaishvanara"who is "sthula bhuk"and hence the objects are
> gross(sthula).In the dream state,it has the "Taijasa"which is
> "sukshma",there fore the experiences also differ.They are experienced by
> the mind.
> N.Srikanta.
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