rajaramvenk at gmail.com
Sun Feb 19 00:12:22 CST 2012
Thanks. I don't think I can logically disagree with any thing you said.
But though Sankara did not most probably write the slokas attributed to
him, they were definitely written by renown Sankarites. In
Pandurangashtakam, the phala sruti says vaikuntha prapti. Sringeri periyava
quotes a verse where a devotee says "I have not offered namaskarams to you
in previous lives and cannot in future lives because I have done so now."
There are countless such statements. Why they should be taken as eulogy and
not as literally true?
Let vishishtadvaitam be philosophically inaccurate but if prappatti is a
valid vedic karma that can grant vaikuntha at the end of this life itself,
why not? It seems logical to first go to Vishnu and then realise His
nirguna svabhava if He insists. Apart from simplicity, this approach also
satisfies one's curiosity to know His infinite attributes in a state of
On Saturday, February 18, 2012, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2012, rajaramvenk at gmail.com wrote:
> But Ishwara is our own Inner Self.
> Not in vishishtadvaita. Advaita understanding of kramamukti on the other
> hand depends on Ishvara being our own inner self.
> It is not that we are depending on
>> someone else. Just that He manifests in front of us in a form that is
>> blissful to us.
> Is God within us or in front of us?
> Even if He appears to be different, it is just like a wife depending on
>> her husband or children on parents. So, what is wrong?
> What is wrong is it is not oneness so it is incomplete understanding of
> the truth.
> We are anyway dependent on His anugraha for moksha (advaita siddhi).
> No, what we want from God, or Guru, or shastra is the removal of
> ignorance. Moksha is something which is of the self.
> Why go a state where we will lose the blissful experience with Him?
> Bliss belongs to Brahman. The biggest misunderstanding the theists have
> with the Advaita understanding of mukti is that it involves giving things
> up. But what it really is is to become purNa -- whole, entire, complete.
> You will still have the bliss of Ishvara in mukti plus more.
> Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
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