[Advaita-l] Naam sankirtan
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Mon Feb 13 09:31:55 CST 2012
These are good questions but have to be answered in the reverse order based
on my understanding of Madhusudana. The gopis did not care about Vedanta
but they were nevertheless instructed by Uddhava. Even if a bhakta does not
care, the knowledge of Ishwara will dawn upon him / her without much effort
The pinnacle of saghunopasana is realizing "I am He" or relishing "suddha
bhakti rasa", which is the essence of all qualities.
The bhakta has to be an Advaitin to attain Advaita Siddhi. By this I dont
mean subscribing to a particular mutt, which came in to existence at a
point in time. But that paroksha jnana precedes aparoksha. The bhakta has
to realize that sweet Lord of his upasana is his own innermost Self, more
dear than the body or mind. He is free from all limitations and nothing
exists but He.
All bhaktas - including those who maintain difference - can go to the
worlds of Hiranyagarbha if they are not attracted to svarka etc. This is a
physical place where the different forms of God are present in their own
worlds with devotees who consider that form to be the Supreme. These worlds
are above the plane of Virata. And definitely above the plane of bhu,
buvar, svarka etc.Technically, one can retrun from here in to the eartly
plane (e.g. Jaya, Vijay). But the bhakta who by Isvarugraha realizes "I am
He" will not. Most here will realize at the end of kalpa just like 100% of
students from a good college land a good job though technically one can
On attaining Isvarunugraha, the bhaktas who have attained advaita siddhi
will realize that this place had no reality at all. It is all, including
the individual self, is the Maya of Isvara non-different from Him. That
Ishwara in His svarupa is transcendental to names and forms or in other
words, I dont see my own form.
Any mistakes in this is all mine.
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Satish Arigela <satisharigela at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >MadhusUdana is saying that the VedAnta vAkyas become revealed to the
> upAsaka, who has reached the
> >pinnacle of saguNopAsana, in Brahmaloka, not while living here.
> Where is this brahmaloka? Or what exactly is meant by a brahmaloka?
> Some real place? Or some thing metaphorical and not real?
> If it is some real place, the question is where is it? It it is
> metaphorical and not real, then the vAkya will be revealed in some place to
> the upAsaka which actually does not exist?
> As for upAsaka-s some of them even though they have reached the pinnacle
> of saguNopAsana, they might or might not subscribe to the view that vedAnta
> vAkya-s would do something to them. Of- course these would be upAsaka-s who
> do not actually subscribe to advaita or for that matter any vedAnta.
> So the other question then: 1) Who happens to upAsaka-s who don't
> subscribe to advaita vedAnta? 2) A related question then is, for people
> performing upAsana while not subscribing to any vedAntic school: They
> cannot the reach the pinnacle of saguNopAsana?
> What does it mean by "reaching the pinnacle of saguNopAsana"? We sure have
> seen upAsaka-s who can converse with their deities... this is meant? Or
> there are upAsaka-s who have become the very devata, are these type meant?
> Surely there exists these kind of upAsaka-s in India and elsewhere, who
> might or might not care about vedAnta.
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