[Advaita-l] Can a mithyA-vastu produce an effect? असत्यवस्तुनः अर्थक्रियाकारित्वम्

Venkatesh Murthy vmurthy36 at gmail.com
Mon May 23 10:46:46 CDT 2011


2011/5/20 V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>:
> 2011/5/20 Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
> Shankaracharya in the Shatashloki 36 has used the example of an intercourse
> with a woman in dream:
> The translation of the AnandajnAnchArya commentary on the verse is:
> Even though the world has its source in  the sad-asad-vilakshana avidya, it
> is experienced as 'sat'.  Everyone experiences the world as 'it is'.  To
> prove this Shankara takes the example: In a dream the man is real (in the
> sense that the one who dreams thinks that the male is he himself) but the
> woman is unreal. [ This is because, even if it is a known, real woman named
> X, the man, if he tries to verify upon waking, whether that X did have the
> intercourse with him on that dream night, she would definitely deny it (even
> granting that she was lying beside him, on his waking bed, when he had the
> dream).  But there is no such a doubt about himself as he knows that he did
> have an intercourse.]  Yet, with this union between a 'real' male and an
> 'unreal'  female, there is the proof of a 'rati' in the form of soiled
> clothing in the man who is dreaming lying on the bed.  The commentator
> concludes:  Thus, Atma, the Purusha, is satya and mAyA, the stree, is
> asatya.  Yet, their union called samsara is experienced.  Just as the dream
> intercourse is undoubtedly mithyA (because the 'female' part is definitely
> mithyA) despite the kArya being seen in the waking in the clothing, samsAra
> is mithyA even though it is experienced.

The dream woman will be true only according to Sribhashya. God only
creates all dream objects for every Jeeva according to Papa and Punya.
That Jeeva experiences the dream objects created for him.

स्वप्ने च प्राणिनां पुण्यपापानुगुणं भगवतैव तत्तत्पुरुषमात्रानुभाव्याः
तत्तत्कालावसानाः तथाभूताश्च अर्थाः सृज्यन्ते ।
He is referring  Bruhadaranyaka Sruti Na Tatra Rathaha to prove God
creates the dream things. The Jeeva cannot create them because he has
is bound in Samsara.

There is no way to prove dream objects are false.

> The verse also proves the fact that from unreal union a real samsara is
> experienced.  In fact this has a basis in the adhyAsa bhashya itself where
> Shankara says the mutual adhyAsa has to be really an impossibility, मिथ्येति
> भवितुं युक्तम्.  Yet He continues, तथापि.......नैसर्गिकोऽयं लोकव्यवहारः’.
> So, from an unreal, impossible, adhyasa, arises a lokavyavahara that is
> experienced by all.

The dream woman is real. The union of man and dream woman is real.
Recently there was one case. The wife went for divorce because husband
was doing bad things online. You cannot argue the husband was innocent
because woman on screen is Mithya and the union with her was Mithya.
Bad thinking.



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