[Advaita-l] Bhagavan Ramana and the pain of cancer

Anbu sivam2 anbesivam2 at gmail.com
Mon Mar 22 05:50:31 CDT 2010

So you are now bringing in 'samaadhi'.  Is it in your realm to know if a
person is always in samaadhi (sahaja samaadhi)?

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:34 AM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > [ Now you have said what I have said above.  The 'attachment' to the body
> > will go; not the awareness of the body as you said a little above]
> >
> > You mean there is an awareness of 'my' body?!
> >
> > A jeevan muktha has awareness alright and certainly cannot be without.
>  But
> > such awareness is not the kind that you and I have of the body as one's
> own
> > self.  It is illogical if he had it.  Vishyaartham is impossible if there
> > is
> > no logic in it.  Illogical contentions are in the realm of the faith.
> >
> >
> > Namaste.
> A jeevan mukta is not always in samadhi, even if he has practiced it
> before.  He will have to be in contact with the world.  The Panchadashi
> says:
> Whenever the Jnani has to do loukika vyavahara like 'I shall come for food
> in just five minutes', 'I have a head ache', etc. he will identify himself
> with the body, mind.  Whenever there is the occasion to discuss, teach
> Vedanta or himself goes into deep vichara or contemplation on the Atma, he
> will fully identify with the Atman.  This way he will have the felicity to
> shift his identification, as he wishes, between the body-mind and the
> Atman.  This shifting, toggling, to and fro will not affect his Jnanam.
> There are specific verses for this in the Panchadashi, the reference for
> which are not immediately available.  If someone gives them, fine.  Here is
> another verse in the Panchadashi itself that implicitly states this theme:
> तदित्थं तत्त्वविज्ञाने साधनानुपमर्दनात् ।
> ज्ञानिना चरितुं शक्यं सम्यग्राज्यादिलौकिकम्  ॥ 9.114 ||
> //Therefore as knowledge of truth does not destroy the means, such as the
> mind and so forth, a man of realisation is able to do worldly activities
> such as ruling a country.//
> This is perfectly logical; any position other than this is alone illogical
> and not acceptable to Vedanta.
> Here is another verse that is very instructive, coming from the GREAT
> Advaitin Vidyaranya:
> मनो वाक्काय तद्वाह्य पदार्थाः साधनानि तान् ।
> तत्त्ववित् नोपमर्द्नाति व्यवहारोऽस्य नो कुतः ॥ 9.90 ||
> [To perform activities, the world need not be thought real nor Self as
> insentient matter. To do so the right means only are necessary.]
> 90. These means are the mind, the speech, body and external objects. They
> are NOT DESTROYED BY THE JNANI; they do not disappear on enlightenment. So
> why can’t he engage himself in worldly affairs ?
> This should clear all doubts about this topic.
> Om Tat Sat
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