[Advaita-l] Bh.Gita verse 18.73 - Was Arjuna an 'aparoksha Jnani'? - Part 4
bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com
Thu Jul 1 00:03:34 CDT 2010
praNAms Sri Venkatesh Murthy
> You can expect more scholarly & deplomatic reply from Sri Subbu
prabhuji or Sri Vidya prabhuji...In the meantime you can cherish my not so
worthy reply :-))
Puranas give a chance for the women and non brahmins to understand the
vedanta. But purana knowledge is not same as vedanta knowledge.
> but stree shudrAdi-s can get vedAntic knowledge from smruti, itihAsa,
purAna itself...vidhura, dharmavyAdha etc. of mahAbhArata, stand tall in
this type of category.
Arjuna was a warrior not a brahmin Only sannyasi can get vedanta
> saNyAsa is helpful to channalize your sAdhana (brahma jignAsa) in right
direction...but it does not mean ONLY saNyAsi-s would get the vedAntic
knowledge...For that matter janaka who taught shuka was not a sanyAsi but
a kshatriya, yagnAvalkya at the time of announcing he is 'the brahmajnAni'
was not a sanyAsi but a gruhasta. (ofcourse, if you consider all these
upanishadic stories are real life episodes)
Krishna cannot give vedanta knowledge to non sannyasi.
> do you mean to say Krishna himself was not aware of vedAntic knowledge
since krishna himself was not a sanyAsi & was a big polygamist :-)) and
was having lakhs of kids :-))
He gave purana type of knowledge for non sannyasi Arjuna.
> what is lacking in geetOpadesha to say it is purANa type of knowledge
and not vedAnta?? what extra there in vedAnta that has not been covered
by krishna in geeta?? do you know something?? some verses in geeta is an
exact replica of shruti (example kathOpanishad!!)
His doubts got cleared. He fought and won the war.
Purana type knowledge is also good. Dont misunderstand. It leads to
vedanta knowledge as listener is born as brahmin in next janma.
Arjuna listened to God so this purana itihasa type knowledge must
have very good effect. Probably in next janma he got a chance for
> do you have any valid base for the above statements??
Nobody should say Krishna Paramatma cannot give knowledge to you. God
gives knowledge to you when you are fit to receive it. He will protect
you by knowledge according to your status. He will not break the
varnasrama rules. We cant teach MSC Maths to a SSLC student. He will
be confused. We must teach SSLC Maths only.
Arjuna was sad and said he will not fight Bhishma and others> How can
God give sannyasi type instruction to him.
> does a poignant person like arjuna needs upadesha about karma saNyAsa
yOga, jnAna yOga, bhakti yOga etc. amidst bown & arrows?? do you think
krishna made 'out of context' upadesha to arjuna on the war field?? what
was the need for krishna to say arjuna patram pushpaM phalam tOyam..etc.
on the battle field of kurukshetra?? what was the need for krishna to
show vishvarUpa to arjuna that too when arjuna was in need of some
professional councelling??:-))If you have answers to these questions, I
hope you would get answer to your above question also.
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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