[Advaita-l] A matter for Adjudication
sjayana at yahoo.com
Fri Apr 9 17:44:20 CDT 2010
--- On Fri, 4/9/10, savithri devaraj <savithri_devaraj at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Here is one interested member's
> opinion -
> This is not a matter for adjudication - where loukika
> pramANa and vaidika pramANa have not helped, how can
> consensus help?
> Vedanta is to be directly and individually intuited from
> sruti and teacher, not based on consensus.
I cannot help but agree with the last statement above. Truth, especially Vedantic Truth, cannot be decided by "majority vote".
Besides, the "adjudication" process requires a great scholar who is competent, impartial and **acceptable to both parties involved in the debate**. I doubt if such a person exists on this list.
> Everyone's understanding is based on their own conditioning
> and capability/eligibility, and it should be left to that.
> The list serves the purpose of disseminating
> information, but can't go further than that. I don't
> think anyone can convince the other about their point of
> view, no matter how many times its argued and with any
> number of quotes, especially when both parties are using the
> saming quotes to promote their theory. Even if a
> million are against one, still the one can have his/her own
> valid understanding.
> It seems pointless to me to argue indefinitely whether a
> jnani has avidya-lesha. Then there really is no meaning for
> jnana. I don't see what the jnani has to do with the body
> or mind, isn't he/she beyond the triad of pramANa, prameya
> and pramAtru? For the ignorant onlooker he may seem to go
> on, but jnana removes avidya, hence jnani is beyond all
> avidya-kalpita samsara, why tie her down with avidya-lesha?
> How can knowledge remove beginingless avidya only
> partially? If so, veda would be only a partial pramANa,
> isn't it? Veda is a pramANa as it reveals our true nature,
> not because it creates new knowledge.
> just my opinion,
> Based on the foregoing points and the facts available in
> the posts on the
> topic and the Bhashya passages, the members are requested
> to decide on
> whether there is any justification in Shri Bhaskar ji's
> vociferous protests.
> One can easily show that the Bhashya passages he is quoting
> are out of place
> and wrongly connected to the topic. That is another
> I request all the interested members and the Moderators to
> give a serious
> thought to this, especially in view of the posts from Shri
> Bhaskar ji. An
> adjudication based on the facts that are clearly available
> to us at this
> point of time will go a long way in preventing students of
> Advaita, both
> members who are present here and those who might view these
> discussions in
> the archives in the future, from arriving at (1)
> wrong conclusions and / or
> (2) resting with the feeling that 'this is a point of
> contention, not
> decidable for eternity'.
> If this post from me is considered uncivil in this forum in
> any respect, I
> seek your pardon; the Moderators may prevent it from
> remaining in the
> With warm regards,
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