[Advaita-l] Turiya vs. Deep Sleep (was Re: The Status and Role of Scripture in Advaita - Part 2)
sjayana at yahoo.com
Tue Apr 6 22:37:52 CDT 2010
--- On Tue, 4/6/10, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Kartik, my citing the Dashashloki was to answer the
> particular question
> of Sunil ji: whether 'Guru' exists in 'that' state?
> The Br.Up. mantra is
> about the sleep state and how all identities are lost
> there. This prompted
> Sunil ji to ask that question. Obviously, the answer
> should be: Even the
> 'Guru' identity is not there. The Dashashloki verse
> shows how the Guru as a
> separate individual is not there in the Paramarthika
> too. Is that not a
> 'sAmyam' between sleep and Turiya? As already stated,
> the entire set of a
> dozen mantras or so in the Janaka - Yajnavalkya discussion
> is devoted to
> demonstrate the Liberated state through the illustration of
> the three
> states, with a particular emphasis of the sleep state. The
> suShupti avasthaa
> offers several similarities to the Turiya state.
> Yajnavalkya cashes in on
> this phenomenon to instruct Janaka about the Triya state.
> I think there the whole issue is clear.
Thank you for the clarification!
If you have the time, please let us know more about the "three states" analysis from the standpoint of bhAva-rUpa-avidyA.
> Best regards,
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:04 PM, S Jayanarayanan <sjayana at yahoo.com>
> > --- On Tue, 4/6/10, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com>
> > Granted, the BU verse 4.3.22 is with reference to Deep
> Sleep. Even in the
> > previous verse, Sankara points out that the Deep Sleep
> state is different
> > from the True State of the Self (turIya).
> > But the Dasha Shloki verse referred to is certainly
> about the turIya state,
> > as it specifically speaks of the Nature of the Self,
> which is free from
> > tamas (unlike the Deep Sleep state).
> > Regards,
> > Kartik
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