[Advaita-l] New member introduction: Shakthi Prashanth

Anbu sivam2 anbesivam2 at gmail.com
Wed Dec 9 18:28:40 CST 2009

Sorry I might have mispronounced your name.  Forgive the typo.

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Shankthi Prashanth,
> When we say 'knowledge' it is that which has comes to our understanding
> that was not there before.  It is like knowing there is a pot.  Either there
> was no pot there before (so you have no knowledge of the pot) or that you
> did not know that there was a pot there before (because you have not seen
> it).  These understanding happen in time and space.  That understanding  was
> also caused because cause and effect signify coming into being of something
> that was not there before.  In short, all objective understanding belongs to
> the triad called space, time and causality.
> But when we say 'I' it does not conform to the idea of knowledge that has
> occurred to us in the triad.  'I' is known to us independent of time, space
> and cause.  This 'I' is  known without any aid whatsoever and therefore this
> 'I' is beyond cause.  Therefore 'I' of such knowledge is *independent* of
> time, space and cause.   This self-awareness denoted by the 'I' is
> differentiated from the common (objective) knowledge (that is dependent on
> time,space and cause) by denoting it as '*gnana*'.  Thus gnaana is *
> different* from knowledge though we tend to use it interchangeably.
> The 'gnana' of 'I' is beyond time, space and cause and is natural.  Why is
> this natural?  Because this gnana does not need the help of any aid to know
> because there is no time or space or cause involved. (All aids exist in
> time, space and causality).
> That which is in time and space is negatable.  That which is beyond time,
> space and cause is not negatable.  Why?  Because in order to negate you need
> time, space and cause!
> Only when you forget yourself as in the story of the tenth man you need
> someone else to tell you.  That someone else is the Guru.
> You cannot claim to be part of the time and space and yet claim you are
> beyond time and space.  Once you are told who you are by the Guru then the
> time, space and causality vanishes instantaneously like the mist before the
> sun.
> *If you say "I know who I am but the space, time and cause have not
> vanished for me", that is exactly where you have got into difficuty as to
> who you are!*
> *This is because you have simply reckoned that you are the body*.  This
> misplaced reckoning is called avidya.  Avidya is knowing something as
> different from what it really is.  We Vedantins call this person afflicted
> with avidya as the forgetful or lost man.
> In real terms knowing oneself is not at all complicated.  You would agree
> with me when you know!  You may come across lots of people delighting
> themselves in exotic complications.  But then it is part of this world!
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>wrote:
>> I am Shakthi Prashanth from Bangalore, working as an Engineer.
>> I am very much interested in knowing about ancient indian philosophy
>> including Vedas, Upanishads, Bhagavatha, etc. Also I wanted to know what
>> is
>> the contribution of Adi Shankaracharya to Indian Philosophy. I am very
>> interested in knowing about "Advaita" philosophy. I donot know anything
>> about Advaita. But I have gone thru bit spirtual aspects.
>> I will be really greatful to you if you give me an opportunity for knowing
>> about this. I agree to plocies as long as it is a platform for me to learn
>> new things on Vedanta.
>> Thanks and Regards,
>> Shakthi Prashanth
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