Tat tvam asi?
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Wed Feb 20 02:10:44 CST 2002
Sankaran Kartik Jayanarayanan wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, nanda chandran wrote:
> > Can there be a knower independent of the known?
> Yes. The Knower is ALWAYS independent of the known. The "known object" on
> the other hand, cannot exist without the Knower. Welcome to the first
> class in Advaita Vedanta.
Except in the special case of aatmaa, where knower, known and knowledge merge
> > Neither experience nor logic can prove it to be so.
> True, but logic with the aid of the shruti can -- and does!
> > So when the Upanishads say that the Atman is the "knower", they cannot mean
> > knower in the normal sense.
> You are wrong.
I think Nanda is right - when Upanishads say that Atman is the "knower" it is in
a very special sense only. In the quoted :
viGYAteryastu viGYAtA sa tvamityuchyate yataH .
sa syadanubhavastasya tato.anyo.anubhavo mR^ishhaa .. (2.12.8)
vi in front of ~njaataa denote a special type of Knower.
> > Note that though I oppose "selfness" to the Atman, I've very clearly said
> > that on liberation, you are the Atman where you can clearly say "aham
> > brahmaasmi" in a personal sense.
> The GYAnI wouldn't care to make such statements about himself. The
> mahAvAkyas are for aid in nididhyAsana by sAdhakas of the highest order.
> -Kartik (*)
(*) Please see my previous mail.
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