message to my friends

Gummuluru Murthy gmurthy at MORGAN.UCS.MUN.CA
Tue Aug 11 16:54:38 CDT 1998

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Vidyasankar Sundaresan wrote:

> The problem is this - if the answer that is given by the intellect and by
> logic is not the Truth, and also if Sri Shankaracharya uses "impeccable
> logic" - how does one decide that a particular logic is impeccable except
> through the use of the intellect? And how about the concept of "viveka"?
> Isn't it a reference to the right use of the intellect?
> The question I ask is not only not unfair, it is one of the most important
> concerns within all Vedanta. To say that the jagat is in me, again raises
> the same questions, which have been asked for thousands of years now. As I
> see it, the beauty of Advaita teaching is in using logic and the intellect
> to ultimately overcome logic and the intellect. This does not mean that
> you simply ignore logic and intellect.
> If one throws out logic and intellect completely, it is worse than
> throwing the baby out with the bathwater - it is a refusal to even bathe
> the baby in the first place. That is not very useful, is it? You bathe
> the baby, then you throw out the bathwater.
> Vidyasankar

Oh, I did not mean the question is unfair in a negative sense. If I did
give that impression, my apologies.

What I meant was:

The answer to your question is:  Yes, the world is real.
Can there be any other answer to it in the vyavahArika ?
[But that answer is untrue in paramArtha. I used that as an example
where the conclusion drawn by the intellect based on logic fails in
the end. That does not mean, we do not use the intellect, but recognize
the limitation of it.]

I used the VC verse to show that the jagat is a mahA svapna *only*
in the paramArtha.

I think you would agree with the above two statements.

I commented on Shri Shankara's "impeccable" logic:  Shri Shankara in VC
made the disciple say that jagat is in mahA svapna only after the
disciple's realization and not before realization. That is an
important difference in my view and shows the beauty of Shri
Shankara's writings and teachings.

If my understanding of this verse is wrong, or if I mis-interpreted
Shri Shankara, I welcome your comment and clarification.

Gummuluru Murthy

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