Why the same dream?
goode at DPW.COM
Mon Dec 8 15:00:58 CST 1997
At 09:21 PM 12/8/97 +0100, Miguel Angel Carrasco wrote:
>I am not interested in creation or non-creation theories.
OK, let's discuss without mentioning creation/non-creation theories.
>Absolute). For me, they are not only not-created, but not-emanated too. It
>seems so simple to me. When I am imagining something, there is no more
>existence than when I am not imagining anything at all. Because objects in
>consciousness do not increase reality.
>There is no point in going any further in this search for the meaning of
>experience, if you do not accept the existence of many forms as objects of
>Consciousness (with all the refining you like: mere appearances,
>un-created, un-emanated, un-real, not-independent, not-absolute, etc. etc).
>If you (or anyone interested in this line of investigation) do, then we
>could go on to consider the effect (if any) of such imaginary forms on
>Consciousness. Otherwise, I think I´ll take a rest.
This is something that I'm not interested in. Also, how can any of these
unreal things have any effect on ANYTHING, much less on Consciousness?
>By the way, I would be _very_ (repeat, _very_ ) interested if you could
>explain to me the meaning of "if this is your EXPERIENCE" in your question
> >If you REALLY believe this, or if this is your EXPERIENCE, then
>there be any questions??
You had said this:
>For me, there is only the One, the Absolute, MySelf. I am the only Subject
>(when there is something in my Consciousness to be the Subject of, in which
>case I am not only Pure Contentless Awareness but also the Witness of My
>Manifestation onto Myself).
If this is the way experience is happening through your body/mind mechanism
(as Ramesh would say), then the Ultimate Understanding has been rached
through (your) body mind. The non-event of enlightenment has happened, and
there's no personal do-er left. Usually in this case, there are no
questions, everything is seen as perfect, unable to be any different.
On the other hand, the quote could be an intellectual understanding. The
intellect sees it this way, but there is still the tug of emotions, there
are doubts, questions, fears, insecurities, etc.
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