[Advaita-l] Supremacy of Shiva over Vishnu

Sanju Nath sanjivendra at gmail.com
Sat Sep 3 10:40:25 CDT 2016

The analogy of computers, etc also relies on standing on the shoulders of previous scientists.  There is a parampara of first learning physics, engineering, software, etc from teachers for many years before one is competent enough to further inventions.

Same or more important is the case of understand Vedic literature.  This sampradya starts in Bharat for many milleniums.  The issue with western thinkers is that they trace or attribute very rarely (other than a perfunctory list of attributions whose value is secondary to their "original" thinking).  Who is the guru, etc of Paul Hacker, other Western thinkers doesn't matter whereas Indian tradition dismisses those who learn the Vedas outside the guru parampara.

Strange how topsy-turvy the learning is in the West:  science requires a parampara, but Vedas - all free to study and attack.  Science has succeeded in the west because of the parampara of knowledge being learned and handed down by successive scientists, and not everyone doing their own thing, as attempted by them regarding Vedas , puranas, itihaas, smritis, sutras.


> On Sep 3, 2016, at 2:09 AM, Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> Correcting the typo in the sentence below: One is worldly knowledge, aparA
> vidyA, whose knowledge is derived from pratyaksha pramANa and the other is
> spiritual knowledge, *parA* vidyA, which depends on shruti pramANa.
>> On 3 Sep 2016 7:55 a.m., "Venkatraghavan S" <agnimile at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Please don't paint this as prejudice of western views.
>> The analogy of acceptance of western views and inventions such as
> computers etc but non acceptance of western views in matters of Vedanta is
> not appropriate here as we are talking of two different spheres of
> knowledge. One is worldly knowledge, aparA vidyA, whose knowledge is
> derived from pratyaksha pramANa and the other is spiritual knowledge, aparA
> vidyA, which depends on shruti pramANa. To understand what shruti pramANa
> has to say, one needs to be able to interpret it correctly and for this one
> needs a sampradAya guru.
>> Even in parA vidyA, no one is dismissing *all* the views of *all*
> scholars, be they western or otherwise, as foolish. Only those that choose
> to opine on matters of para vidyA by ignoring tradition are called thus -
> by Shankaracharya.
>> On the other side of the equation, coming to aparA vidyA, to dismiss all
> traditional accounts as hagiographies devoid of historical merit is
> throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
>> Regards,
>> Venkatraghavan
>> On 3 Sep 2016 5:30 a.m., "D Gayatri via Advaita-l" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>> I find it intriguing that people have no problems using western
> technology
>>> and inventions like computers, internet etc. and at the same time the
> very
>>> same people dismiss all western scholars as fools! Just as any other
>>> scholars, the arguments of western scholars have their own merits and
>>> demerits, but IMHO, to dismiss the entire class of western scholars as
>>> fools, smacks of intellectual arrogance.
>>> On Friday, 2 September 2016, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
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