[Advaita-l] Difficulty with Akhandakara Vrtti

H S Chandramouli hschandramouli at gmail.com
Mon Jun 22 03:28:39 CDT 2015

Dear Sri Aurobind Padiyath Ji,

 Thanks for the clarification that you are not referring to nirvikalpa. It
removes a major impediment in progressing the discussion. A great relief.

 Once we talk of “ akhandakara vritti “ and “ a state “ , we are in the
Vyavaharika plane only and not in Paramarthika plane. But the rest of your
note mostly pertain to the Paramarthika plane. It cannot be maintained << Even
thought or thoughtlessness are not applicable to that state  >> . A “ state
“ must necessarily be either with thought ( as in jagrat or svapna ) or
without thought ( as in sushupti or samadhai ) . A “ state “ cannot be
bereft of both. Kindly clarify.

 Also please give a reference to where this concept of “ akhandakara vritti
“ is explained so that I can study and better understand the context in
which it has been explained.

 Pranans and Regards

On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Aurobind Padiyath <
aurobind.padiyath at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sri Chandramouliji,
> Hari Om!!!
> Nirvikapla stage is not culminating one and hence cannot be Brahma Jnana
> avastha. Just because you have no vikalpa does not mean you have knowledge.
> You have no vikalpa even during deep sleep. The difference between the two
> is one is involuntary and the other is a result of forced control of mind.
> Having explained that, let me try to come to the akandakara vritti.
> The pramana for that state is what is told as " Atma vyatirekena nasti
> kinchit". Even thought or thoughtlessness are not applicable to that state
> where the mind cannot reach nor words can explain. But it is not
> nothingness. It or that state is simply an "Is" or what we call in Sanskrit
> as asti. To what or whom can that state explain when there is none other
> than just itself in a state of being?
> I do not know if I can ever explain it in words. It is where all thoughts
> become knowledge just as where all ingredients of a yagna becomes only fire
> in the yagnakund.
> Hari Om!!!
> Aurobind Padiyath
> On 21 Jun 2015 21:08, "H S Chandramouli" <hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Sri Aurobind Padiyath Ji,
>> Can you kindly clarify if this state you are mentioning is a '
>> thoughtless state " or a " thought with unitary knowledge " . The question
>> is genuine as many interpret nirvikalpa samadhi ( thoughtless state ) also
>> as Brahma Jnana.
>> Regards
>> Chandramouli
>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Aurobind Padiyath via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>> Hari Om,
>>> "akhandakara vritti"
>>> Akhanda meaning unbroken, Akara meaning (here) Swaroopa,  Vritti (here)
>>> meaning continues,  (not thoughts).
>>> So, that continuous Swaroopa avastha which displaced the earlier wave
>>> like
>>> thoughts of vishaya which were arising and subsiding including that of
>>> deep
>>> sleep like state where visheshvijnana absence is felt, because even deep
>>> sleep
>>> is not continuous, is the true state of akhandakara vritti. It is called
>>> a
>>> vritti as a misnomer due to the absence of a better word.
>>> Hari om!!!
>>> Aurobind Padiyath
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