[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: [advaitin] What is the glue that binds Brahman and Maya together?

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste.

For information. There is a book in kannada by Sri Krishna Jois, a well
known scholar, titled *vedantada drishtAntagaLu*,  Illustrations in Vedanta
(as covered in the Bhashya). The book can be accessed at the following link

//
https://adbhutam.files.wordpress.com/2022/07/vedantada-drishtantagalu-by-vid-sri-k-krishna-jois-rotated.pdf
//.

Regards

On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 7:49 PM Ram Chandran <ramvchandran at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namaskar:
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts and they are valuable and useful.  I am
> glad to see more active participation.  This subject is quite important and
> I hope to see more to participate and share their views.
> thanks again,
>
> Ram Chandran
>
> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 8:20:35 AM UTC-4 hschand... at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Namaste.
>>
>> Chaitanya, as associated with mAyA, is of three kinds ; Shuddha
>> Chaitanya, mAyA upahita Chaitanya and mAyA vishishta Chaitanya.
>>
>> // तावानस्य महिमा ततो ज्यायंश्च पूरुषः । पादोऽस्य सर्वा भूतानि
>> त्रिपादस्यामृतं दिवीति ॥ ६ ॥ //
>>
>> //  tAvAnasya mahimA tato jyAyaMshcha pUruShaH | pAdo.asya sarvA bhUtAni
>> tripAdasyAmRRitaM divIti || 6 || //
>>
>> Bhashya explains
>>
>> //  तस्य अस्य पादः सर्वा सर्वाणि भूतानि तेजोबन्नादीनि सस्थावरजङ्गमानि,
>> त्रिपात् त्रयः पादा अस्य सोऽयं त्रिपात् ; त्रिपादमृतं पुरुषाख्यं समस्तस्य
>> गायत्र्यात्मनो दिवि द्योतनवति स्वात्मन्यवस्थितमित्यर्थ इति ॥ //
>>
>> //  tasya asya pAdaH sarvA sarvANi bhUtAni tejobannAdIni
>> sasthAvaraja~NgamAni, tripAt trayaH pAdA asya so.ayaM tripAt ;
>> tripAdamRRitaM puruShAkhyaM samastasya gAyatryAtmano divi dyotanavati
>> svAtmanyavasthitamityartha iti || //
>>
>> Translation (Swami Gambhirananda)  // of this latter all beings are the
>> foot, – all such beings as light, water, food and the rest, both animate
>> and inanimate. –He is the three-footed,-- that which has three feet, is
>> immortal, called Purusha, in its Heaven—resting in the Heaven of what orms
>> the entire GAyatri ; it is called *Heaven* *dyaus*== because it is
>> resplendent. The meaning is that it rests within itself // .
>>
>> All the three, namely Shuddha Chaitanya, mAyA upahita Chaitanya and mAyA
>> vishishta Chaitanya are addressed as Brahman in the Scriptures and Bhashya.
>> They have to be understood contextually. Shuddha Chaitanya is NirguNa
>> Brahman. When mAyA upahita Chaitanya and mAyA vishishta Chaitanya are
>> elaborated, which of the two -  mAyA or Chaitanya – is intended also needs
>> to be understood contextually.
>>
>> My understanding of the analogies is as follows.
>>
>> *(NirguNa) Brahman (Shuddha Chaitanya)  and Brahman (mAyA upahita
>> Chaitanya) / Brahman (mAyA upahita Chaitanya) and sAkshi (*
>> *अंतह्करणावच्छिन्नचैतन्य*  *aMtahkaraNAvachChinnachaitanya)  *
>>
>> Space and space inside the pot bounded by the pot
>>
>> *Brahman (mAyA upahita Chaitanya) and (individual) jIva through
>> antahkaraNa*
>>
>> Reflection in a mirror or redness in a crystal
>>
>> *AntahkaraNa and Reflection/Redness together as jIva*
>>
>> अयःपिण्ड (ayaHpiNDa) ; Redhot Iron Ball
>>
>> *Brahman (mAyA upahita Chaitanya) and (multiplicity of)  jIvAs*
>>
>> Reflection of Sun or Moon in water contained in different pots OR redness
>> of a flower appearing in different clear crystals
>>
>> *Brahman (mAyA upahita Chaitanya) and mAyA,  (Brahman as substratum of
>> mAyA)*
>>
>> Rope-Serpent illustration
>>
>> *Brahman (mAyA vishishta Chaitanya) and Jagat*
>>
>> Gold-Ornament or Clay-Pot (Reference is to mAyA part only), Also Ocean
>> and Waves.
>> Regards
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 8:07 PM Ram Chandran <ramvch... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Namaskar:
>>>
>>> Subbuji thanks for sharing the scriptural references and they are
>>> profound and useful.
>>>
>> Advaita Vedanta applies analogies to explain the complexities that come
>>> with the understanding the Nirguna and Nirupa Brahman! The additional
>>> complexities include making inference on the Truth at the Parmathika level
>>> using the Vyavaharika level experience.  We all have different levels of
>>> experience at the Vyavaharika level based on our beliefs and incomplete
>>> knowledge (with the presence of ignorance!)  The ongoing discussions
>>> confirm why we couldn’t agree wholeheartedly.  No one needs to feel that
>>> are not able to accept every details provided using the analogies.
>>>
>>> I find the analogies to be quite useful at the minimum distinguishing
>>> between the concepts that often use in Advaita.  I classify the analogies
>>> into three categories:
>>>
>>> *Brahman the infinity and Jivas the finite concept*:
>>>
>>> Ocean and Waves
>>>
>>> Space and space inside the pot bounded by the pot
>>>
>>> Sunlight and its reflections on the mirror of specific shape
>>>
>>> *Brahman the Substratum*
>>>
>>> Gold and Golden ring
>>>
>>> Clay and Clay Pot
>>>
>>> *What is Mythia?*
>>>
>>> Dream State and Waking State (Dream Analogy)
>>>
>>> Rope and Snake analogy
>>>
>>> Post and ghost analogy
>>>
>>> I find it personally very useful for me to understand the concepts of
>>> Advaita using the analogies.
>>>
>>> Please feel free to add and subtract what I have stated here and you are
>>> welcome make appropriate corrections
>>>
>>> With my warm regards,
>>>
>>> Ram Chandran
>>>
>>>
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