[Advaita-l] [advaitin] demonstrating aparokshanubhuti - WAS - 'Mithya' in Upanishads

[sreenivasa murthy]

 Dear Sri Vikram Jagannathan,
 Sruthi uses the following words : 
      (1) Atmavit, mantravit || Chandogya
      (2) Srotriyam, brahmaniShTham.|| Mundaka
      (3) ananyaproktE gatratra nAsti || Katha .      (4) upadEkShyanti tE jnAnam jnAninaH tattvadarSiBiH || BhagavadgIta      (5) Mantra 4-4-8 of Bruhadarnyaka Upanishad states:                     aNuH panthAvitataH purANO  
                     mAgMspRuShTO^nuvittaH mayyaiva||(6)Sri Shankara ,writes as an introduction to mantra 2-4 
    of Kena Upanishad thus :    EvaM acAryOktaHSiShyaH EkAntE upaviShTaH samAhitaH san yathOtamAcAryENaAgamam arthatO vicArya, tarkataSca nirdhAryasvAnuBavaM kRutvAAcAryasakASamupagamyOvAca manyE ahamathEdAnIM viditaM brahmEti ||
(7) Mantra 6-8 of PrashnOpanishad reads thus : 
tEtamarcayantastvaM hi naH pita yO asmAkamavidyayAH paraM pAraM tArayasIti ||

Now you must have realized in what spirit my posting has been written.You draw your own tight conclusions.
With respectful pranams,Sreenivasa Murthy.

             







 
   

    On Thursday, 18 May, 2023 at 02:14:42 am IST, Vikram Jagannathan via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:  
 
 Namaskaram Shri Sreenivasa Murthy ji,

I understand and appreciate your objective of calling out the fundamental
tenet of Advaita - that it is only through anubhava. Advaita realization is
neither a physical act nor mental dexterity nor intellectual sophistry.
Ayam Atma Brahma is only aparokshanubhuti beyond space & time and thoughts
& words.

However, I am running into a problem with your request and seeking your
guidance to resolve. You requested "Based on your own anuBava I request you
kindly to reveal this to me. Then only you quoting these Sruti mantras
become fruitful to the reader."

Either: 1. Please describe how to best reveal my atman-brahman
aparokshanubhuti in a manner understandable by you.
Or: 2. Kindly demonstrate or prove to me my lack of atman-brahman
aparokshanubhuti, so that I can work towards this prior to quoting Sruti
mantras.

It goes without saying that "I" and "my" here only refers to the
functioning antahkarana illumined by atman-brahman and stands juxtaposed
with "you" and "your".

with humble prostrations,
Vikram

On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 9:00 AM 'sreenivasa murthy' via advaitin <
advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Dear Sri Subramanian,
> You Write :
>
> “Mandukya too has such references like Brahman  is prapanchopasham”.
>
> Mandukya also says : "sarvagaM hi Etad brahma ayamAtmA brahma"
>
> Mantra 7-25-1 of Chandogya says : ahamEvEdagM sarvam ||
>
> Mantra 7-25-2 of Chandogya says : AtmaivEdagaM sarvam ||
>
> Hence AtmA is ptapaMcOpaSamaH and I am prapaMcOpaSamah||
>
> Is the above conclusion a mere intellectual one or is it a fact of life
> HERE &NOW?
>
> HOw can this be cognized as a fact of Life within oneself by oneself?
>
> Based on your own anuBava I request you kindly to reveal this to me. Then
> only you quoting these Sruti mantras become fruitful to the reader.
>
> With respectful pranams,
>
> Sreenivasa Murthy.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 17 May, 2023 at 06:40:07 pm IST, V Subrahmanian <
> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> You can look at the many references in the Upanishads for equivalent words
> and expressions that unambiguously convey the idea of mithyatva.
>
> The Chandogya 6th chapter says the world as a transformation of Brahman is
> not real. Mrittikeyyeva satyam..
>
> Apaagat agneragnitvam
> ..
>
> Mandukya too has such references like Brahman  is prapanchopasham.
>
> Mayamaatram dvaitam Advaitam paramarthathah, etc.
>
> There are many.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 16 May 2023, 9:51 pm Krishna kapoor, <krishnakapoor571 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Namaskar everyone
>
> There is a very complex debate between Vaishnavas and Advaitins, where
> Vaishnavas have been saying that Jagat is Satya and nowhere in Upanishads
> it is written the Jagat is Mithya or unreal. It comes in Niralamba
> Upanishad 'Brahma Satyam Jagat MithyA' but this is not one of the Mukhya
> Upanishads.
>
> Please kindly tell where is term 'Mithya' in the Mukhya Upanishads?
>
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