[Advaita-l] FW: ​Re: [advaitin] A talk on avidyA by Manjushree

[Michael Chandra Cohen]

Thanks to Chandramouli for his references and translation. A detailed
discussion on  Sugama section 33 can be heard for English speakers through
the translations and reflections of Sri Swami Prakashanandendra in talks
107-119 here,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfB6BmYrBqU&list=PLMddRSWoHnQY9kX3hpmMgw2WZg0b0fJ82

On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 11:09 AM H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste.
>
> Yes. He has quoted from those texts verbatim. That is according to him. I
> have not verified myself though. There is no reason to suspect to the
> contrary.
>
> Ragards
>
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022, 21:07 V Subrahmanian, <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the inputs so far. Are the actual passages from Bhamati or
> > Vivarana texts cited by SSS verbatim while he gives his opinions on them?
> >
> > Regards
> > subbu
> >
> > On Sat, 10 Dec 2022, 7:12 pm H S Chandramouli, <hschandramouli at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Namaste.
> >>
> >> I had occasion to debate with a very well versed person on works of Sri
> >> SSS concerning this topic of mUlAvidyA. He had shared the discussion
> with
> >> others as well. It was agreed that the the main text we will concern
> >> ourselves with would be  the Vedanta Prakriya Pratyabhijna of Sri SSS. I
> >> had gone thru the english translation of the same by Alston and
> presented
> >> that the ONLY reason advanced by Sri SSS in that text for rejecting the
> >> mUlAvidyA concept was exactly the one I have cited in my previous post.
> I
> >> am unable to locate it at present in that text. He agreed that is the
> case
> >> and it was decided that we will proceed further on that basis.
> >> Unfortunately the discussion had to be discontinued midway due to
> >> unforeseen circumstances.
> >>
> >> Just for information
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 6:54 PM H S Chandramouli <
> >> hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Namaste Subrahmanian Ji,
> >>>
> >>> Reg  <<  I had asked before what are the exact, original, statements of
> >>> the post-Shankara Advaitins that gave the impression to SSSS that the
> Mula
> >>> Avidya is as real as Brahman, it could not go away by knowledge, etc.
> that
> >>> made SSSS conclude that such an avidya would 'shatter the Advaitic
> Brahman
> >>> to pieces' (implying that there will be duality and not non-duality)?
> >>> Those exact statements, if provided, would help one to examine them and
> >>> decide on the merits of SSSS's conclusions >>,
> >>>
> >>> I am giving reference to two texts by Sri SSS, one in kannada and the
> >>> other one in Sanskrit which address your above question.
> >>>
> >>> First one in kannada, Commentary on BSB Appendix 2, link ref
> >>>
> >>> <<
> >>>
> http://www.adhyatmaprakasha.org/php/bookreader/templates/book.php?type=kannada&book_id=101A_3&pagenum=0001#page/21/mode/1up
> >>> >>
> >>>
> >>> Section 4, **Adhyasa is termed Avidya by Panditas**, Book page 18
> >>> onwards. On page 20, Sri SSS concludes, inter alia, as follows (lines
> 14 to
> >>> 17).
> >>>
> >>> (Translation mine)  << Further, as per this argument, since AvidyA ,
> >>>  the cause of AdhyAsa,  will not be an   AdhyAsa kArya, it  thereby
> >>>  qualifies as an anadhyasta  or satya  entity. Then it will be false to
> >>> term it jnAnavirOdhi >>.
> >>>
> >>> The second one in Sanskrit is from the text **Sugama** by Sri SSS. It
> is
> >>> a detailed commentary on AdhyAsa Bhashya by Sri SSS. Most of the
> kannada
> >>> text  mentioned  above is reflected here as well. It may therefore be
> >>> useful for those who are not well versed in kannada.  Link ref
> >>>
> >>> <
> http://www.adhyatmaprakasha.org/php/bookreader/templates/book.php?type=sanskrit&book_id=008&pagenum=0016#page/67/mode/1up
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> Section 33. Conclusion of the refutation by Sri SSS on the statements
> >>> of  post-Shankara Advaitins  on the topic presented in the immediately
> >>> preceding couple of  Sections.
> >>>
> >>> <<  अथाऽनध्यस्तः, तदा परमार्थ एव स्यान्न विद्यानिवर्त्य
> >>> इत्यनिष्टमापद्यते । न चैवं शङ्क्यम् -
> >>> अध्यासस्तत्संस्कारश्चेत्युभावप्यध्यस्तावेव ।  >>
> >>>
> >>> <<  athA.anadhyastaH, tadA paramArtha eva syAnna vidyAnivartya
> >>> ityaniShTamApadyate | na chaivaM sha~Nkyam -
> >>> adhyAsastatsaMskArashchetyubhAvapyadhyastAveva | >>
> >>>
> >>> The above portion reflects exactly the same sentiment as in the kannada
> >>> version cited above.
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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