[Advaita-l] Fwd: [advaitin] Yet another Mahavakya in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad

[Venkatraghavan S]

Namaste,
The answer to that question was I don't recall any such reference.
However I thought you went on to conclude from such a (possible) absence
that aparoksha jnAna was therefore not possible from a recollection.
If you are instead not saying that, I don't think there is any argument
here.

Regards
Venkatraghavan

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021, 08:37 H S Chandramouli, <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste.
>
> Reg  <<  One cannot hold that no  such recollection of the mahAvAkya
> takes place  >>,
>
> I think we are deviating from the original question. I have not stated
> anywhere that recollection of the mahAvAkya heard earlier does not take
> place at all. I had repeated this earlier also. The issue was whether such
> recollection at a later date can by itself lead to aparOksha jnAna without
> any further effort. Any references to that effect in the Bhashya. The
> intention was not any independent analysis of the issue. The issue was
> whether there are any references to that effect in the Bhashya.
>
> Regards
>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 12:49 PM Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Namaste,
>>
>> From a practical perspective too, in manana and nididhyAsana also, one
>> recalls the shruti vAkya heard in shravaNam. All recollection is due to
>> samskAra of prior experience. One cannot hold that no  such recollection of
>> the mahAvAkya takes place.
>>
>> Nor can one say that such a recollection of the mahAvAkya during manana
>> and nididhyAsana cannot give rise to jnAna either. It contradicts both
>> experience and the bhAShya to BS1.1.4 which
>> says श्रवणवदवगत्यर्थत्वान्मनननिदिध्यासनयोः.
>>
>> Even if that is somehow true and jnAna cannot occur during manana
>> nididhyAsana - Suppose a person has overcome all his jnAna pratibandhas
>> after manana nididhyAsana over a long time.
>> It is not appropriate to insist that one must again go back to their guru
>> for mahAvAkya shravaNam so that they can get jnAna. And if they don't, that
>> they cannot be liberated in that birth!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Venkatraghavan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021, 17:30 V Subrahmanian, <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 9:25 PM Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <
>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Namaste,
>>>> samskAra need not be mentioned - as long as the possibility is not
>>>> denied,
>>>> there is nothing to say it is impossible.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the Brihadaranyaka mantra 4.4.2  तं विद्याकर्मणी समन्वारभेते
>>> पूर्वप्रज्ञा च ॥ २ ॥  Shankara says for vidya: विद्याकर्मणी — विद्या च
>>> कर्म च विद्याकर्मणी विद्या सर्वप्रकारा विहिता प्रतिषिद्धा च अविहिता
>>> अप्रतिषिद्धा च,  all these learnt, studied, are part of the jiva who
>>> transmigrates to another body. दृश्यते च केषाञ्चित् कासुचित्क्रियासु
>>> चित्रकर्मादिलक्षणासु विनैव इह अभ्यासेन जन्मत एव कौशलम् , कासुचित्
>>> अत्यन्तसौकर्ययुक्तास्वपि अकौशलं केषाञ्चित् ;  what has been
>>> learnt/practiced stays with the individual forever as vasana and manifests
>>> in another body without the need for its abhyasa afresh.  He gives the
>>> example of drawing, etc. And concludes: तस्मात् एतत् त्रयं
>>> शाकटिकसम्भारस्थानीयं परलोकपथ्यदनं विद्याकर्मपूर्वप्रज्ञाख्यम् । यस्मात्
>>> विद्याकर्मणी पूर्वप्रज्ञा च देहान्तरप्रतिपत्त्युपभोगसाधनम् , तस्मात्
>>> विद्याकर्मादि शुभमेव समाचरेत् , यथा इष्टदेहसंयोगोपभोगौ स्याताम् — इति
>>> प्रकरणार्थः ॥  Since what is acquired stays, one should endeavor to do the
>>> good alone so that one gets a good life in future.
>>>
>>> From this it is clear that vidya, whether it is laukika or adhyatma,
>>> acquired in one life manifests in another life when the necessary
>>> circumstances are in place. So, it remains as samskara and aids
>>> its perfection.
>>>
>>> There is a famous subhashita too:
>>>
>>> गतेऽपि वयसि ग्राह्या विद्या सर्वात्मना बुधैः |
>>> यद्द्यापि स्यान्न फलदा सुलभा सान्यSजन्मनि  |
>>>
>>> The  wise and learned persons have ordained that 'Vidyaa' should be
>>> learnt even if  a person  becomes aged.
>>> Although such learning may not  be fruitful to him during his lifetime,
>>> in his next birth it is easier for him to acquire knowledge because of his
>>> 'Samskaars' in his previous birth .
>>>
>>> regards
>>> subbu
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Venkatraghavan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>