# [Advaita-l] Perception in lightning

sreenivasa murthy narayana145 at yahoo.co.in
Sun May 9 10:40:27 EDT 2021

``` Dear Sri Sudhanshu Shekar,You write : Now let there be two observers a and b.
Is that statement correct?can there ever be two observers a and b simulteneously?Please think over and verify the correctness of your statement.
With respectful namaskars,Sreenivasa Murthy.
On Sunday, 9 May, 2021, 2:23:59 pm GMT+1, Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

Hari Om Chandramouli ji,

It will still be unable to explain subsequent perceptions. Let me explain:-

Suppose a sound source of adequate intensity produces sound 3.4 km away. It
can be experimentally demonstrated that it will take 10 sec to be
perceived. Now let there be two observers a and b. A is near the source
while b is 3.4 km away. (In an obstruction free space a large clock can
also be placed). Sound produced is of different frequencies. Both a and b
are noting down the frequencies and time. Suppose sound of frequency x is
produced at 10 am. So a will write x--10 am while b will write x--10.00.10.
Now at 10.05 suppose sound of frequency y is produced. Then a will write
y--10.05. But b will write y--10.05.10. But by this time, mind is already
there with shrotra. (3.4 km is a very short distance. Many a times it will
be within range of visibility also). So subsequent perceptions should match
for observers a and b. But this does not happen. So, Mind+shrotra going out
will not be able to explain the differing perception in case of subsequent
perception when m+s is supposedly already there at vishaya.

Regards.

On Sun, 9 May, 2021, 6:20 pm H S Chandramouli, <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Sudhanshu Ji,
>
> RegĀ  << If the mind does not reach there simultaneously, then the
> conclusion would
> be attribution of different speeds to mind+chakshu vis-a-vis mind+shrotra
> >>,
>
> What would be the objection to such a conceptualization?
>
> Regards
>
> Chandramouli
>
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> On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 1:02 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Hari Om,
>>
>> In case of visual and audible perception, mind is said to go out along
>> with
>> chakshu and shrota indriya and make contact with vishaya and turn
>> vishayAkAra. Reflection of chaitanya then gives rise to visual and audible
>> perception.
>>
>> In case of lightning, if the mind reaches there simultaneously with
>> shrotra
>> and chakshu, the perception of light and sound should be simultaneous. But
>> this is not the case.
>>
>> If the mind does not reach there simultaneously, then the conclusion would
>> be attribution of different speeds to mind+chakshu vis-a-vis mind+shrotra.
>>
>> How to understand it in the traditional framework.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sudhanshu Shekhar.
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