[Advaita-l] Question about Avaccheda vada
kumaraditya22 at yahoo.com
Fri Feb 9 05:44:59 EST 2018
Thanks for elaborating. From what I understand, rather than calling it upadhi, a limiting factor, we call it lakshana, an attribute. Then we can say maya is potency of ishwara and avidya is the potency of jiva! My special power is my own delusion! It still does not explain how on jivas liberation, ishwara is also resolved in brahman. Because jiva realizes the identity between jiva and brahman and not between ishwara and brahman.
On Fri, 9/2/18, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Question about Avaccheda vada
To: "Aditya Kumar" <kumaraditya22 at yahoo.com>, "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Cc: "H S Chandramouli" <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, 9 February, 2018, 9:15 AM
Feb 9, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Aditya Kumar via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
So even if the pot breaks does Ishwara remain as a distinct
entity? Also if maya is said to be Ishwaras upadhi, that
means ishwara is bound by maya. In that case how can a jivas
release from avidya also result in ishwaras release from
maya? If maya does not ever bother ishwara like spider and
its web that means maya is not an upadhi of ishwara.
We have to understand that the
Chaitanya, with the Upadhi of Maya is Ishvara and jiva with
shuddha and malina sattva maya respectively. While shuddha
sattva does not bind Ishwara, malina sattva binds the jiva.
This is how they are placed. Thus, jiva is in bondage and
Ishwara is never in bondage. Ishwara is nitya mukta, only
there for managing the cosmos, bandha-moksha vyavahara of
jivas, etc. When a jiva attains liberation through
knowledge, from that jiva's point of view there are no
other jivas, no world and no Ishwara as different entities
from him (Brahman). Hence, the question of maya not
bothering Ishwara is thus answered. Maya is a shakti in the
hands of Ishwara (Maayaam tu prakritim viddhi, maayinam tu
maheshwara - Shvetashvataropanishat). Avidya is the power
that binds jiva. So, the upadhis are for Brahman
basically, though they are unreal.
Feb 8, 2018 at 7:50 PM, Aditya Kumar via
Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.
<< If ghatakasha is jiva and
brahman, what or where is Ishwara in the equation?
Ishwara also another is
His case, the ghata
(upAdhi) is mAyA.
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