[Advaita-l] The 'Snake-and-ladder' game - The Spiritual path

[Kalyan]

 //Does Rig Veda also include Allah and Jesus?  :) //


If Ishwara can assume any form to bless the devotee as Shankara says, then can't he assume the form of Jesus? (Allah has no form, of course).

//Do you see people killing in the name of Ishwara or converting gullible people in the name of Ishwara?//


How did you miss the caste-related violence and worst forms of discrimination, which have been happening for centuries?

Most of the so-called lower castes are converting to other religions, because they have not been given decent space under the Lordship of Ishwara. It is a different matter whether they are getting any decent space once they convert.


    On Thursday, August 9, 2018, 8:51:01 PM GMT+5:30, Murali k <methusala8 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Does Rig Veda also include Allah and Jesus?  :)   That is indeed news to me. sa Brahma, sa Shiva, not sa Jesus and sa allah. 
I have mentioned  clearly that I do not want to go into the details of why these three are different. Once only needs to look at the violence perpetuated in the name of Allah and Jesus to see the difference. Is that not evidence enough? Do you see people killing in the name of Ishwara or converting gullible people in the name of Ishwara?
I think we are digressing and I see no point in discussing this further. We are too far apart in or views and we are just wasting time. 
All the best,Murali

On 9 August 2018 at 20:18, Kalyan <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com> wrote:

 //Who says that "all devatas can be treated as Ishwara"? Can you quote a source or is this your own conclusion? //

Rig veda says - ekam sat viprah bahuda vadanti.
Narayana sukta says - sa brahma sa shiva etc.
In brahmasUtra bhAshya, Shankara says that Ishwara can take any form to bless his devotee. 
Also, you can follow this link which argues that even a buffalo can be Ishwara -
http://creative.sulekha.com/ even-a-buffalo-can-be-saguna- brahman_626228_blog

//Ishwara  is very much unlike Allah and the ancient christian god of the old testament?//

Please use evidence to support your conclusion. Indra has done so many bad deeds and yet the Rig veda treats him as Ishwara.

    On Thursday, August 9, 2018, 7:59:01 PM GMT+5:30, Murali k <methusala8 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Who says that "all devatas can be treated as Ishwara"? Can you quote a source or is this your own conclusion? 
 Ishwara  is very much unlike Allah and the ancient christian god of the old testament? A cursory reading of the quran or the Old Testament will put this argument to rest. Have you read these scriptures? Would you still agree that all three are the same? 
 To equate all three in a superficial way is laughable. I do not want to go into the details here.  And when we have our own innumerable paths to reach god, why should we replace it? Is the alternative 10X better? I do not think so. 

If you do not see any harm in it, Great.You are entitled to your view. In the same breath, others are entitled to theirs. Just because I follow Advaita does not mean that one should live with every act of cultural violence perpetuated by these missionaries. 









On 9 August 2018 at 19:38, Kalyan via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita- vedanta.org> wrote:

Interesting discussion on this issue.

I often find posts in this list saying that advaita is non-sectarian and devata does not matter in advaita and all devatas can be treated as Ishwara.

If devata does not matter, then Jesus and Allah should also be acceptable to advaitins, right? What is the harm in replacing the name of Rama or Krishna with that of Christ? 
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